Message from leopirate in Nick Fuentes Server #catholic-poasting-no-cultural-christians-allowed


2018-07-07 03:14:46 UTC  

haha are you seriously saying I'm shifting goal posts while you appeal to authority?

2018-07-07 03:15:03 UTC  

We were talking about freedom of conscience

2018-07-07 03:15:15 UTC  

and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church

2018-07-07 03:16:09 UTC  

Prayerful study of the bible reveals more than the interpretations of pedophiles in fancy long robes.

2018-07-07 03:17:02 UTC  

"What about Christians make up the civil authority?"
They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need empirical evidence.

2018-07-07 03:17:10 UTC  

It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander

2018-07-07 03:17:28 UTC  

"They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need secular logic and evidence."

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2018-07-07 03:20:16 UTC  

I don't see how I'm dodging your questions. You can reach the same conclusions the infallible Word of God makes with empirical evidence. Take for example in Proverbs how it speaks against alcoholism. When a Christian civil servant wants to endorse laws for the minimum age of drinking, he should point to the biological effects alcohol has on a developing individual. He can point to real world examples of underage drinking leading to societal problems, etc.

2018-07-07 03:20:50 UTC  

This doesn't make any difference

2018-07-07 03:21:26 UTC  

hahaha earlier you were saying I was shifting goal posts and on my "last resort"
now you say it doesn't make any difference lmaoooo

2018-07-07 03:21:28 UTC  

What is the end result? Civil laws based on the moral law of the Church

2018-07-07 03:21:36 UTC  

Stop being a child.

2018-07-07 03:21:39 UTC  

it makes ALL the difference

2018-07-07 03:21:44 UTC  

it makes no difference

2018-07-07 03:22:09 UTC  

What difference is it if you ban gay marriage based on explicit observance of the moral law or ban gay marriage from a secular argument

2018-07-07 03:22:34 UTC  

Well I should say making a secular argument while holding private religious intentions

2018-07-07 03:22:37 UTC  

once you say the laws should be informed by the Catechism, you're no different than a theocratic state, which Jesus was against (Mark 12:17)

2018-07-07 03:22:51 UTC  

I deny this allegation

2018-07-07 03:29:22 UTC  

We would say that Christ rebuked the pharisees for their denial of the legitimacy of his ministry not because they worked in concert with the state. Your position forces you into contradiction where you must uphold the legitimacy of immorality (which you even allied with Satan directly) for the public while holding a private position congruent with morality.

2018-07-07 03:30:20 UTC  

(which you even allied with Satan directly)
"He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin."
I have no idea what you're going on about

2018-07-07 03:30:36 UTC  

I never said to have a private or public opinion

2018-07-07 03:31:05 UTC  

You clearly did

2018-07-07 03:31:34 UTC  

"...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

2018-07-07 03:31:48 UTC  

I'm saying to justify enforcing laws you should use the evidence from man, not authority from God. Rendering things of Caesar to Caesar, and things of God to God.

2018-07-07 03:32:26 UTC  

Now, you can find evidence by using the Word of God as a starting point, which many of the greatest scientists of mankind did

2018-07-07 03:32:52 UTC  

Why is it moral to make a law based off of completely irreligious appeal to consequences and why is it immoral to make a law based off of religious doctrine

2018-07-07 03:33:56 UTC  

Jesus never established a theocratic state, so I have no idea what you're suggesting by quoting me with "...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

2018-07-07 03:34:25 UTC  

It means you are supposed to live in imitation of Christ

2018-07-07 03:35:20 UTC  

And Christ never said the government should be informed by scripture. He instead explained how the life of righteous individuals will follow the law, by accepting his sacrifice.

2018-07-07 03:36:17 UTC  

Imitation of Christ means following Christ's conduct, how he lived, what he taught etc. Why would we do this in everything but our civil law?

2018-07-07 03:43:29 UTC  

Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcement of punishments from the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God.

Take for example gay marriage. I believe it shouldn't be allowed because Genesis defined marriage between man and woman. Jesus recited this in his arguments with the pharisees. When it comes to enforcing it, you can point to how allowing gay marriage destroys the functional purpose of the institution: the production of offspring for the state.

2018-07-07 03:44:04 UTC  

"Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcements of punishments of the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God. "

This is to imply that morality is dualistic.

2018-07-07 03:45:41 UTC  

I believe in absolute moral truth from God. Man-made governments are not of God, they are of man.

2018-07-07 03:46:00 UTC  

Should all men not conform themselves to truth?

2018-07-07 07:26:47 UTC  

Can Mormons post here?

2018-07-07 07:27:08 UTC  

or are they too closely tied to the freemasons?

2018-07-07 09:02:03 UTC  

mormons aren't Christian!

2018-07-07 14:26:39 UTC  

is leoprirate a prot fag ?

2018-07-07 14:26:47 UTC  

if so he needs tyo be removed

2018-07-07 14:58:28 UTC  

Say what you will about Mormons but Utah is a great state and BYU is probably a good college to get a trad gf at

2018-07-07 16:58:40 UTC  

Which of the mormon colleges has the fuck hueg rape stats?