haha are you seriously saying I'm shifting goal posts while you appeal to authority?
We were talking about freedom of conscience
and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church
Prayerful study of the bible reveals more than the interpretations of pedophiles in fancy long robes.
"What about Christians make up the civil authority?"
They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need empirical evidence.
It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander
"They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need secular logic and evidence."
I don't see how I'm dodging your questions. You can reach the same conclusions the infallible Word of God makes with empirical evidence. Take for example in Proverbs how it speaks against alcoholism. When a Christian civil servant wants to endorse laws for the minimum age of drinking, he should point to the biological effects alcohol has on a developing individual. He can point to real world examples of underage drinking leading to societal problems, etc.
This doesn't make any difference
hahaha earlier you were saying I was shifting goal posts and on my "last resort"
now you say it doesn't make any difference lmaoooo
What is the end result? Civil laws based on the moral law of the Church
Stop being a child.
it makes ALL the difference
it makes no difference
What difference is it if you ban gay marriage based on explicit observance of the moral law or ban gay marriage from a secular argument
Well I should say making a secular argument while holding private religious intentions
once you say the laws should be informed by the Catechism, you're no different than a theocratic state, which Jesus was against (Mark 12:17)
I deny this allegation
We would say that Christ rebuked the pharisees for their denial of the legitimacy of his ministry not because they worked in concert with the state. Your position forces you into contradiction where you must uphold the legitimacy of immorality (which you even allied with Satan directly) for the public while holding a private position congruent with morality.
(which you even allied with Satan directly)
"He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin."
I have no idea what you're going on about
I never said to have a private or public opinion
You clearly did
"...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."
I'm saying to justify enforcing laws you should use the evidence from man, not authority from God. Rendering things of Caesar to Caesar, and things of God to God.
Now, you can find evidence by using the Word of God as a starting point, which many of the greatest scientists of mankind did
Why is it moral to make a law based off of completely irreligious appeal to consequences and why is it immoral to make a law based off of religious doctrine
Jesus never established a theocratic state, so I have no idea what you're suggesting by quoting me with "...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."
It means you are supposed to live in imitation of Christ
And Christ never said the government should be informed by scripture. He instead explained how the life of righteous individuals will follow the law, by accepting his sacrifice.
Imitation of Christ means following Christ's conduct, how he lived, what he taught etc. Why would we do this in everything but our civil law?
Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcement of punishments from the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God.
Take for example gay marriage. I believe it shouldn't be allowed because Genesis defined marriage between man and woman. Jesus recited this in his arguments with the pharisees. When it comes to enforcing it, you can point to how allowing gay marriage destroys the functional purpose of the institution: the production of offspring for the state.
"Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcements of punishments of the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God. "
This is to imply that morality is dualistic.
I believe in absolute moral truth from God. Man-made governments are not of God, they are of man.
Should all men not conform themselves to truth?
Can Mormons post here?
or are they too closely tied to the freemasons?
mormons aren't Christian!
is leoprirate a prot fag ?
if so he needs tyo be removed
Say what you will about Mormons but Utah is a great state and BYU is probably a good college to get a trad gf at
Which of the mormon colleges has the fuck hueg rape stats?