"What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔"

It was the Judaizers who kept the old temple laws

Judaizing was the first heresy and St. Paul devotes a lot of his writings toward combatting it

The Roman Catholic Church didn't exist in the Apostle Paul's time. So if you read the full verse, particularly when he says: "that in the **latter times** some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and **doctrines of devils**"

He did fight against Judaizers. However, he is speaking about practices after his day. Mainly the current practices of the Catholic Church.

How

In this letter to Timothy

Clearly not

How do you interpret "latter times"?

There were plenty of gnostic sects that actually applied these rules universally that fulfills these doctrines much more clearly.

I don't interpret the Bible

of course, leave that to people who know what they're actually doing

Do you have any other goal posts you want to shift?

haha are you seriously saying I'm shifting goal posts while you appeal to authority?

We were talking about freedom of conscience

and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church

Prayerful study of the bible reveals more than the interpretations of pedophiles in fancy long robes.

"What about Christians make up the civil authority?"
They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need empirical evidence.

It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander

"They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need secular logic and evidence."

??

I don't see how I'm dodging your questions. You can reach the same conclusions the infallible Word of God makes with empirical evidence. Take for example in Proverbs how it speaks against alcoholism. When a Christian civil servant wants to endorse laws for the minimum age of drinking, he should point to the biological effects alcohol has on a developing individual. He can point to real world examples of underage drinking leading to societal problems, etc.

This doesn't make any difference

hahaha earlier you were saying I was shifting goal posts and on my "last resort"
now you say it doesn't make any difference lmaoooo

What is the end result? Civil laws based on the moral law of the Church

Stop being a child.

it makes ALL the difference

it makes no difference

What difference is it if you ban gay marriage based on explicit observance of the moral law or ban gay marriage from a secular argument

Well I should say making a secular argument while holding private religious intentions

once you say the laws should be informed by the Catechism, you're no different than a theocratic state, which Jesus was against (Mark 12:17)

I deny this allegation

We would say that Christ rebuked the pharisees for their denial of the legitimacy of his ministry not because they worked in concert with the state. Your position forces you into contradiction where you must uphold the legitimacy of immorality (which you even allied with Satan directly) for the public while holding a private position congruent with morality.

(which you even allied with Satan directly)
"He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin."
I have no idea what you're going on about

I never said to have a private or public opinion

You clearly did

"...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

I'm saying to justify enforcing laws you should use the evidence from man, not authority from God. Rendering things of Caesar to Caesar, and things of God to God.

Now, you can find evidence by using the Word of God as a starting point, which many of the greatest scientists of mankind did

Why is it moral to make a law based off of completely irreligious appeal to consequences and why is it immoral to make a law based off of religious doctrine

Jesus never established a theocratic state, so I have no idea what you're suggesting by quoting me with "...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

It means you are supposed to live in imitation of Christ

And Christ never said the government should be informed by scripture. He instead explained how the life of righteous individuals will follow the law, by accepting his sacrifice.