the pope did not say ahtioests go to heaven

that was literal fake news

modern catholicism is practiced very differently especially if we are talking about America

i knowwwwwwwwwwwww

by a progressive atheists journo who tookno notes

but traditionally a Pope would not talk to journos like Pope Francis does even that is a step away from the traditional norm

i agree thats why i want a based black non jesuit pope

dude is probably just being a jack ass strictly speaking he's not wrong

he probably doesn't have a very good grasp on Catholicism though I'd wager

ohhh he's in this server right now ! @Joe the boomer

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@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] defend yourself

on what

scroll up

@Joe the boomer even if it was fake news, which it wasn't, the pope has also said that Europe should be filled with migrants, that God made homosexuals that way, and has supported a bunch of bad politics not to mention counter signal trump on just basic bitch civnat issues

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Are you Catholic?

no

So what's your beef with the Pope? Too left wing?

too left wing, he dangerously plays with moving away from doctrine, he doesn't address traditional Christian issues like banning usury etc.

You're not Catholic though

How do you know what Catholic doctrine is and whether or not he respects it

Like the usury question has been quite properly answered for modern times

Church recognizes that what usury is relative to the economic conditions of the times

Like currently to operate inside previous eras teachings on usury could leave a man destitute

So there is an up-dated teaching on usury

Which is not to say something like sexual teaching or women's ordination could ever change because they the fundaments of the teaching disallow it (sex is for procreative ends, Christ did not ordain women not even the Virgin Mary) for usury the fundament is economic exploitation not charging interest per se

Of course an atheist *could* get to heaven, its ultimately up to God's grace, if he wanted one to go to heaven he could bring him up, the point is we have been told clearly that to be sure of a path to heaven we must believe and work for Him

Also the pope is only infallible on certain things

@Vril-Gesellschaft [☩]#9453 we have had bad popes before

@Vril-Gesellschaft [☩]#9453

Think of papal infallibility like the tiebreaking powers of the VP

Its as much an administrative mechanism as it is anything else

Mainly used to end theological spats between bishoprics

you protestants need to understand that the Pope cannot change old doctrine

@NormanLord That strictly speaking is true

perhaps the papal infallibility defense brigade could enlighten us on what those things are that the Pope is infallible on, and not just reiterate the statement that his infallibility is limited

St. Thomas says it is impossible under what we know about how to be given salvation but that doesn't mean there are ways unknown to us God gives man salvation

@Barry White Ex Cathedra statements

otherwise it just becomes "It's not papal infallibility when he says something I don't like"

It's not Papal Infallibility when Papal Infallibility is not invoked

It's not even clear when the Pope gives an interview if he is speaking in one of his ecclesiastical roles