Message from @hughmunguswutt

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2018-08-19 13:55:31 UTC  

@Polybius You're welcome

2018-08-19 13:55:52 UTC  

yee thank you, cleared a lot of stuff up

2018-08-19 13:58:10 UTC  

Fuck I mean I was an atheist as a teenager for a while as well better get myself ex-excommunicated

2018-08-19 14:09:43 UTC  

If you are Catholic or wish to be Catholic study these creeds, know them, and be able to say them without baulking.

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/athanasian-creed

http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Prayer/Tridentine_Creed.html

2018-08-19 14:29:40 UTC  

will do. Im basically going to spend the next week doing a lot of contemplation and deciding whether I'm going to go all in with this
Its basically been a year of looking into it and oscillating, but I think I'm ready to make a leap

2018-08-19 14:30:05 UTC  

once you start doing it you wont regret it

2018-08-19 16:23:43 UTC  

Okay Catholic Church is epic

2018-08-19 16:24:36 UTC  

Some buddies invited me to their church after I said I was looking into other denominations

2018-08-20 01:13:31 UTC  

@Mephisto Catholicism is a very subtle religion just remember that

2018-08-20 21:20:38 UTC  

So I’m someone who was raised Protestant and is looking into Catholicism. I have so many questions that I don’t know where to begin. But if I was to convert, how do I go about it? Do I have to go to some traditional Catholic Church or can I go to my local church? I’ve heard so much about how Vatican 2 changed this and that and some people saying that Francis is not truly the Pope and the modern Church is not the true Church and what not.

2018-08-20 21:20:49 UTC  

I’m really confused

2018-08-20 21:50:52 UTC  
2018-08-20 21:51:01 UTC  

You're required here

2018-08-20 22:43:53 UTC  

Catholicism isnt biblical

2018-08-20 22:45:19 UTC  

Hurr durr we got the bible says not to call human spiritual leaders father and to not fall into vain traditions but lets do it anyway bc we have cool architecture and an old church hurr durr durr

2018-08-20 22:52:50 UTC  

I'm considering becoming Catholic because protestant churches are just becoming rock concerts

2018-08-20 23:50:04 UTC  

what now

2018-08-20 23:53:14 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt Do you want to go to Latin Mass or not? You don't have to. You do need to do the RCIA (rite of Christian initiation for adults) so you need to go to a parish and talk to the priest about joining, other than that it's pretty simple. If you've not been baptised you'll be baptised this Easter and then confirmed and given first communion. If you have been baptised it will be first confession, then confirmation and then first communion.

2018-08-20 23:56:53 UTC  

@obamarapedmymom The Catholic belief is the Bible is not the deposit of the faith rather the faith was entrusted to the Apostles of Christ to protect and spread and that those Apostles appointed men who occupy the office of Bishop as their successors a notable example of the immediate successor of St. John the Apostle is St. Ignatius of Antioch was martyred in the 1st century and who was the author of the earliest document using the word "Catholic" to describe the Christian religion.

2018-08-21 00:06:28 UTC  

@Scooter2000 But what about Vatican 2 and all that? The alleged heresies and changes to the Mass and Sacraments? There’s this dude on YouTube (vaticancatholic) whose videos I’ve watched and he claims that the modern church has been infiltrated by Satan and seems to believe that it’s completely heretical and that anyone who accepts post-Vatican 2 popes are themselves committing heresy. That the Novus Ordo Mass is invalid, etc. etc.

2018-08-21 00:07:10 UTC  

There’s also the claims of the Eastern Orthodox who say they remained true to the faith while Rome changed. People like Jay Dyer will claim this

2018-08-21 00:09:31 UTC  

I know it’s a lot of questions. I’m just really confused. All I know is I want to follow the truth

2018-08-21 01:44:22 UTC  

>non denominational "Christians"

2018-08-21 02:35:01 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt Be wary of vaticancatholic aka holy family monastary aka the Dimond bros. They're right about some things but are very hardline sedevacantists who say basically everyone but them is going to hell. Your confusion is completely justified as there are so many different voices saying different things, with both conciliarists and sedes having a lot of influence right now.

2018-08-21 02:40:18 UTC  

The most truthful and level-headed approach to the crisis in the Church has undoubtedly been that of Archbishop Lefebvre in my opinion, founder of the SSPX, and those successors who have stayed faithful to the faith he preserved.

2018-08-21 02:43:08 UTC  

Yeah I saw a video where vaticancatholic said that anyone who isn’t baptized regardless of the circumstances is going to hell period and he quoted some popes and some documents to back up his claims

2018-08-21 02:43:50 UTC  

So even people who’ve never heard of Jesus like those in isolated parts of the world would be damned

2018-08-21 02:45:11 UTC  

well that's it's own issue entirely, but they believe even traditionalists who don't subscribe to hardline sedevacantism aren't Catholic and are damned

2018-08-21 02:46:55 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt but in catholicism doutrine, you can be baptized by Holy Spirit.

2018-08-21 02:50:20 UTC  

The reality is that you don't have to be a sede to reject VII, as all faithful Catholics should. As for finding a church or mass center, this is a very difficult problem as many people don't live very close to a TLM let alone one said by traditional priests.

2018-08-21 02:56:56 UTC  

I grew up Protestant and believing in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And I still do, even though sometimes I doubt, I’ll be honest. But I try to remain strong in faith to the best of my ability. Lately out of curiosity I started watching Catholic vs Protestant debates and I found myself being more convinced by Catholic arguments than the other side. But hearing about Vatican II and all the controversy surrounding it and seeing all these different groups talking about how correct they are in comparison to others is kind of blackpilling

2018-08-21 02:57:54 UTC  

It’s just too much information for me

2018-08-21 03:01:30 UTC  

The most important thing in your faith is and always is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that should be your main focus when considering which sect of Christianity you're going to choose to subscribe to. Focus on that and consider it when weighing Christian & Biblical discussion, and you'll find the right covenant for you.

2018-08-21 03:03:47 UTC  

Navigating through your life as a Christian is a very daunting task nowadays, especially with the rise of the "Megachurch" and the increased attempts to appease the modern world.

2018-08-21 03:08:52 UTC  

If you understand what has been going on in the world, this revolution that has been dragging us further downward literally since the late middle ages and culminating in the takeover of the Church today, you will be able to find some peace among the blackpills that this is all a temporary state of affairs. Many saints and popes predicted this crisis of faith, at Fatima it was called the 'diabolical disorientation'. All we have to do is keep the faith, pray, and fight errors both in the Church and in the world.

2018-08-21 03:12:09 UTC  

I just don’t know. I just wonder: if I was to do RCIA at my local Catholic Church (which is very likely not traditional) would my baptism, confirmation, and first communion be valid? Or would it be invalid? Why not Eastern Orthodoxy? They’re almost the same as Catholics no?

2018-08-21 03:21:15 UTC  

The EOs reject that Christ established Peter as the head of His Church (as Scripture clearly states) and thus are in schism, and hold to several other heresies such as acceptance of divorce.

2018-08-21 03:35:16 UTC  

Nobody can really say for sure whether the new sacraments would be valid or not, the sedes say they they aren't, others say they're doubtful, others that they are valid but illicit. Either way, if possible it would be best to receive the traditional sacraments

2018-08-21 03:49:09 UTC  

Baptism and communion are valid, dk about confirmation though

2018-08-21 05:19:22 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt I think just generally speaking these people have a really confused notion of how to interpret the faith. Look the best advice I can give you is to actually start participating in the mass and start reading good Catholic literature, lives of the Saints, Catechisms, Catholic Encyclopedia etc. I can't offer a refutation of any of these people without actually knowing what specifically you are referring to so I can only really offer a general sort of critique that Jay Dyer for one doesn't actually understand Thomism at all, essence and energies either completely compatible with divine simplicity or it is utterly incoherent. Vatican Catholic I've engaged with his material less than Dyer's but it's your typical sede stuff, look if you really take Sedevacantism serious you enter an epistemic crisis which will constantly leave you guessing where the true Church is.