Message from @NormanLord

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2018-08-19 13:49:52 UTC  

Ive also heard women who get abortions are automatically excommunicated

2018-08-19 13:51:06 UTC  

can they ever get it lifted?
And also what the hell is the church doing then by not making all of this clear if its still technically what's supposed to be done. Like if the abortion thing is true, im pretty sure they had some councilling thing at my church for women trying to come back to the church after aborting their children

2018-08-19 13:51:24 UTC  

that is also true

2018-08-19 13:51:44 UTC  

dude the Church believes in a lot of things that are not made clear lol

2018-08-19 13:51:46 UTC  

it all seems very self contradictory and its part of why I lean towards the sede stuff, even though they're all very autistic people for the most part

2018-08-19 13:52:00 UTC  

the sede's aren't going to help you out there

2018-08-19 13:52:01 UTC  

what are some other examples out of curiosity

2018-08-19 13:52:08 UTC  

i think there's one more

2018-08-19 13:52:11 UTC  

for formal heresy

2018-08-19 13:52:24 UTC  

like what

2018-08-19 13:52:41 UTC  

oh didnt see the second message

2018-08-19 13:52:44 UTC  

like if you had a Bishop say you could consecrate rose water and make it the body of Christ

2018-08-19 13:53:42 UTC  

and then the Holy See were like *Ermmm wtf no*
and he was like *too bad I'm doing it anyway*
and they'd be all *you are anathema*
and he'd be like *fug :----D*

that would be an automatically excommunicable offense which also then calls into question pretty much every decision he ever made as Bishop

2018-08-19 13:54:16 UTC  

interesting

2018-08-19 13:54:21 UTC  

just looked it up too

2018-08-19 13:54:22 UTC  

apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).

2018-08-19 13:55:14 UTC  

Thanks for the explanation @Scooter2000

2018-08-19 13:55:26 UTC  

ah very nice

2018-08-19 13:55:31 UTC  

@Polybius You're welcome

2018-08-19 13:55:52 UTC  

yee thank you, cleared a lot of stuff up

2018-08-19 13:58:10 UTC  

Fuck I mean I was an atheist as a teenager for a while as well better get myself ex-excommunicated

2018-08-19 14:09:43 UTC  

If you are Catholic or wish to be Catholic study these creeds, know them, and be able to say them without baulking.

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/athanasian-creed

http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Prayer/Tridentine_Creed.html

2018-08-19 14:29:40 UTC  

will do. Im basically going to spend the next week doing a lot of contemplation and deciding whether I'm going to go all in with this
Its basically been a year of looking into it and oscillating, but I think I'm ready to make a leap

2018-08-19 14:30:05 UTC  

once you start doing it you wont regret it

2018-08-19 16:23:43 UTC  

Okay Catholic Church is epic

2018-08-19 16:24:36 UTC  

Some buddies invited me to their church after I said I was looking into other denominations

2018-08-20 01:13:31 UTC  

@Mephisto Catholicism is a very subtle religion just remember that

2018-08-20 21:20:38 UTC  

So I’m someone who was raised Protestant and is looking into Catholicism. I have so many questions that I don’t know where to begin. But if I was to convert, how do I go about it? Do I have to go to some traditional Catholic Church or can I go to my local church? I’ve heard so much about how Vatican 2 changed this and that and some people saying that Francis is not truly the Pope and the modern Church is not the true Church and what not.

2018-08-20 21:20:49 UTC  

I’m really confused

2018-08-20 21:50:52 UTC  
2018-08-20 21:51:01 UTC  

You're required here

2018-08-20 22:43:53 UTC  

Catholicism isnt biblical

2018-08-20 22:45:19 UTC  

Hurr durr we got the bible says not to call human spiritual leaders father and to not fall into vain traditions but lets do it anyway bc we have cool architecture and an old church hurr durr durr

2018-08-20 22:52:50 UTC  

I'm considering becoming Catholic because protestant churches are just becoming rock concerts

2018-08-20 23:50:04 UTC  

what now

2018-08-20 23:53:14 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt Do you want to go to Latin Mass or not? You don't have to. You do need to do the RCIA (rite of Christian initiation for adults) so you need to go to a parish and talk to the priest about joining, other than that it's pretty simple. If you've not been baptised you'll be baptised this Easter and then confirmed and given first communion. If you have been baptised it will be first confession, then confirmation and then first communion.

2018-08-20 23:56:53 UTC  

@obamarapedmymom The Catholic belief is the Bible is not the deposit of the faith rather the faith was entrusted to the Apostles of Christ to protect and spread and that those Apostles appointed men who occupy the office of Bishop as their successors a notable example of the immediate successor of St. John the Apostle is St. Ignatius of Antioch was martyred in the 1st century and who was the author of the earliest document using the word "Catholic" to describe the Christian religion.

2018-08-21 00:06:28 UTC  

@Scooter2000 But what about Vatican 2 and all that? The alleged heresies and changes to the Mass and Sacraments? There’s this dude on YouTube (vaticancatholic) whose videos I’ve watched and he claims that the modern church has been infiltrated by Satan and seems to believe that it’s completely heretical and that anyone who accepts post-Vatican 2 popes are themselves committing heresy. That the Novus Ordo Mass is invalid, etc. etc.

2018-08-21 00:07:10 UTC  

There’s also the claims of the Eastern Orthodox who say they remained true to the faith while Rome changed. People like Jay Dyer will claim this

2018-08-21 00:09:31 UTC  

I know it’s a lot of questions. I’m just really confused. All I know is I want to follow the truth