i thought it was, thats probably what jogged my memory of it

if you for some reason or another still considered yourself a Catholic but doubted God's existence or something that would be mortal sin but not apostasy as far as I can tell

i considered myself ex catholic

then that's apostasy

so does going to confession lift it or is it more complicated than that

you have to have that lifted before you can receive any of the sacraments

also what if i join something like SSPX or go autism sede mode, would it matter then

uh

yeah

that comes with it's own set of problems but it's no way to get around an excommunication

so how do I have the excommunication lifted

talk to the priest

i think you said something about a bishop needing to do it

probably a couple phone calls

Yeah I'm pretty sure the Bishop has to lift the excommunication

okay this is epic

ill probably call next weekend and get it all sorted out

just say *Look Father So and So I was raised Catholic but I left the Church when I was a teenager and I was told that apostates are automatically excommunicated so I want to have that lifted if that's the case."

I can't honestly guarantee he is going to have any idea of what the fuck you are talking about but it will get the ball rolling

thats along the lines of what ill say yeah, and haha its probably a very autistic conversation to have, but if its what you technically need to do then so be it

Ive also heard women who get abortions are automatically excommunicated

can they ever get it lifted?
And also what the hell is the church doing then by not making all of this clear if its still technically what's supposed to be done. Like if the abortion thing is true, im pretty sure they had some councilling thing at my church for women trying to come back to the church after aborting their children

that is also true

dude the Church believes in a lot of things that are not made clear lol

it all seems very self contradictory and its part of why I lean towards the sede stuff, even though they're all very autistic people for the most part

the sede's aren't going to help you out there

what are some other examples out of curiosity

i think there's one more

for formal heresy

like what

oh didnt see the second message

like if you had a Bishop say you could consecrate rose water and make it the body of Christ

and then the Holy See were like *Ermmm wtf no*
and he was like *too bad I'm doing it anyway*
and they'd be all *you are anathema*
and he'd be like *fug :----D*

that would be an automatically excommunicable offense which also then calls into question pretty much every decision he ever made as Bishop

interesting

just looked it up too

apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).

Thanks for the explanation @Scooter2000

ah very nice

@Polybius You're welcome

yee thank you, cleared a lot of stuff up

Fuck I mean I was an atheist as a teenager for a while as well better get myself ex-excommunicated