Message from @RetardO ExtremeO

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2018-08-21 02:50:20 UTC  

The reality is that you don't have to be a sede to reject VII, as all faithful Catholics should. As for finding a church or mass center, this is a very difficult problem as many people don't live very close to a TLM let alone one said by traditional priests.

2018-08-21 02:56:56 UTC  

I grew up Protestant and believing in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And I still do, even though sometimes I doubt, I’ll be honest. But I try to remain strong in faith to the best of my ability. Lately out of curiosity I started watching Catholic vs Protestant debates and I found myself being more convinced by Catholic arguments than the other side. But hearing about Vatican II and all the controversy surrounding it and seeing all these different groups talking about how correct they are in comparison to others is kind of blackpilling

2018-08-21 02:57:54 UTC  

It’s just too much information for me

2018-08-21 03:01:30 UTC  

The most important thing in your faith is and always is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that should be your main focus when considering which sect of Christianity you're going to choose to subscribe to. Focus on that and consider it when weighing Christian & Biblical discussion, and you'll find the right covenant for you.

2018-08-21 03:03:47 UTC  

Navigating through your life as a Christian is a very daunting task nowadays, especially with the rise of the "Megachurch" and the increased attempts to appease the modern world.

2018-08-21 03:08:52 UTC  

If you understand what has been going on in the world, this revolution that has been dragging us further downward literally since the late middle ages and culminating in the takeover of the Church today, you will be able to find some peace among the blackpills that this is all a temporary state of affairs. Many saints and popes predicted this crisis of faith, at Fatima it was called the 'diabolical disorientation'. All we have to do is keep the faith, pray, and fight errors both in the Church and in the world.

2018-08-21 03:12:09 UTC  

I just don’t know. I just wonder: if I was to do RCIA at my local Catholic Church (which is very likely not traditional) would my baptism, confirmation, and first communion be valid? Or would it be invalid? Why not Eastern Orthodoxy? They’re almost the same as Catholics no?

2018-08-21 03:21:15 UTC  

The EOs reject that Christ established Peter as the head of His Church (as Scripture clearly states) and thus are in schism, and hold to several other heresies such as acceptance of divorce.

2018-08-21 03:35:16 UTC  

Nobody can really say for sure whether the new sacraments would be valid or not, the sedes say they they aren't, others say they're doubtful, others that they are valid but illicit. Either way, if possible it would be best to receive the traditional sacraments

2018-08-21 03:49:09 UTC  

Baptism and communion are valid, dk about confirmation though

2018-08-21 05:19:22 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt I think just generally speaking these people have a really confused notion of how to interpret the faith. Look the best advice I can give you is to actually start participating in the mass and start reading good Catholic literature, lives of the Saints, Catechisms, Catholic Encyclopedia etc. I can't offer a refutation of any of these people without actually knowing what specifically you are referring to so I can only really offer a general sort of critique that Jay Dyer for one doesn't actually understand Thomism at all, essence and energies either completely compatible with divine simplicity or it is utterly incoherent. Vatican Catholic I've engaged with his material less than Dyer's but it's your typical sede stuff, look if you really take Sedevacantism serious you enter an epistemic crisis which will constantly leave you guessing where the true Church is.

2018-08-21 05:20:28 UTC  

There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo as a sacrifice and nothing wrong with the new sacraments, the apt mater and intention remains. They are different and they may be deficient in comparison to the old rites but they actually do what they are intended to do.

2018-08-21 05:21:58 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt Extraordinary salvation is an open question

2018-08-21 05:32:04 UTC  

Thank you for your answer @Scooter2000

2018-08-21 05:36:57 UTC  

I have to humbly admit that I for one don’t understand anything having to do with Thomism or divine simplicity or essence and energies. I just know a lot of Bible verses and narratives, probably more than the average person. But when it comes to all that philosophy, I’m extremely ignorant.

2018-08-21 05:37:28 UTC  

A lot of that language is completely foreign to me, coming from a Protestant background

2018-08-21 05:41:16 UTC  

I just know I have a lot of confusion due to all the different groups claiming to be following the true Gospel in light of current events and recent history

2018-08-21 05:42:37 UTC  

But I’ll think about what you said. I really appreciate it.

2018-08-21 10:32:51 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt read liberalism is a sin by Dr Felix Sarda y Salvani, it'll be a good introduction to the traditional Catholic viewpoint

2018-08-21 13:22:22 UTC  

church posting gang

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358813795287041/481453007742173186/image0.jpg

2018-08-21 13:23:33 UTC  

Nice

2018-08-21 14:17:22 UTC  

Flags don't belong inside a church tbh

2018-08-21 17:56:41 UTC  

I'm about to enter rcia

2018-08-21 17:56:44 UTC  

In September

2018-08-21 17:56:49 UTC  

I'm a cradle catholic

2018-08-21 17:57:09 UTC  

But I never received my first holy communion and I haven't been confirmed

2018-08-21 18:17:52 UTC  

We all just do it in school in Ireland

2018-08-21 18:18:14 UTC  

Well, I'd imagine that's on the way out atm but even when I did it most ppl did it for the money and to fit in

2018-08-21 18:18:43 UTC  

What's it like in the US? What age do most receive first holy communion?

2018-08-21 19:11:21 UTC  

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2018-08-22 00:10:36 UTC  

@hughmunguswutt Well there's problem number one dude. You aren't catechized at all. You need to start learning the Catholic Faith, it's no wonder all these naysayers have you confused

2018-08-23 15:51:07 UTC  

Has anyone here done RCIA ? If so what was your experience ?

2018-08-23 21:27:45 UTC  

@Scooter2000 Why isn't the Pope's position on the death penalty considered heresy???

2018-08-23 21:28:17 UTC  

If it contradicts all previous teaching, scripture and doctrine, which it does so far as I can tell

2018-08-23 22:40:34 UTC  

@NormanLord First of all, anybody who tells you this constitutes heresy is talking out of there ass. It's definitely unorthodox, it contradicts tradition but that doesn't make a heresy. A heresy is a denial of defined truth of the Catholic faith so that means either explicit denial of a dogma or a doctrine derived from said dogma. The death penalty has no dogmatic definition you can have either opinion on it.

2018-08-23 22:41:23 UTC  

The weight of tradition (in my estimation) supports the death penalty

2018-08-23 22:41:29 UTC  

@Christopher Yeah I did it was great.

2018-08-24 03:48:25 UTC  

@Christopher I forget whre it was , but somewhere on youtube there is an RCIA course of videos that is very help (even to me, a confirmed catholic)

2018-08-24 03:49:35 UTC  

Yeah like guys don't feel like you have to be reading St. Thomas' Suma and have an intimate knowledge of canon law and Papal encyclicals if your a newbie, just start off with what's accessible and build from there.

2018-08-24 15:22:09 UTC  

Ordered this fellas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358813795287041/482570316888014873/20180824_102338.png

2018-08-24 15:23:34 UTC  

Looks nice