Message from @Existence is identity

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2019-01-15 22:28:33 UTC  

Punishment is very tricky and I haven't totally thought it out

2019-01-15 22:28:41 UTC  

jail is not optional
forced suicide must be only punishment

2019-01-15 22:29:54 UTC  

laws that were broken and are not worth of such punishment should not even be considered as laws

2019-01-15 22:30:37 UTC  

We are trying to fix the problem not force obedience to the highest degree

2019-01-15 22:31:35 UTC  

only way to fix society is for weak to suffer

2019-01-15 22:32:17 UTC  

Calm down there Nietzsche

2019-01-15 22:32:54 UTC  

Morality is not like that

2019-01-15 22:33:26 UTC  

I can force you to do the right thing but if I force you you dont reap the pleasure of doing something moral

2019-01-15 22:33:56 UTC  

This is self evident and im sure you can draw the concretes yourself

2019-01-15 22:35:03 UTC  

only blood can fix problems morality has caused

2019-01-15 22:36:23 UTC  

Except if everyone is compulsed to do something pleasure cannot exist

2019-01-15 22:36:31 UTC  

Mans motivator for his actions

2019-01-15 22:40:18 UTC  

Pleasure is poison to earth

2019-01-15 22:40:51 UTC  

only men born in suffering can live real lives

2019-01-15 22:40:56 UTC  

Without pleasure man is condemned to suffering

2019-01-15 22:41:47 UTC  

Pleasure is also a guardian to an organisms life

2019-01-15 22:42:10 UTC  

The pleasure-pain mechanism in the body of man—and in the bodies of all the living organisms that possess the faculty of consciousness—serves as an automatic guardian of the organism’s life. The physical sensation of pleasure is a signal indicating that the organism is pursuing the right course of action. The physical sensation of pain is a warning signal of danger, indicating that the organism is pursuing the wrong course of action, that something is impairing the proper function of its body, which requires action to correct it. The best illustration of this can be seen in the rare, freak cases of children who are born without the capacity to experience physical pain; such children do not survive for long; they have no means of discovering what can injure them, no warning signals, and thus a minor cut can develop into a deadly infection, or a major illness can remain undetected until it is too late to fight it.

The Virtue of Selfishness “The Objectivist Ethics,”
The Virtue of Selfishness, 17

2019-01-15 22:42:20 UTC  

The form in which man experiences the reality of his values is pleasure . . . . A chronic lack of pleasure, of any enjoyable, rewarding or stimulating experiences, produces a slow, gradual, day-by-day erosion of man’s emotional vitality, which he may ignore or repress, but which is recorded by the relentless computer of his subconscious mechanism that registers an ebbing flow, then a trickle, then a few last drops of fuel—until the day when his inner motor stops and he wonders desperately why he has no desire to go on, unable to find any definable cause of his hopeless, chronic sense of exhaustion.

2019-01-15 22:42:28 UTC  

people who can't live without pleasure don't deserve life at all

2019-01-15 22:43:07 UTC  

If pleasure cant exist neither can happiness

2019-01-15 22:43:27 UTC  

Without pleasure an organism cant survive

2019-01-15 22:44:08 UTC  

how come?

2019-01-15 22:44:13 UTC  

all you need is hate.

2019-01-15 22:44:45 UTC  

There have been instances of babies being born without pain and without pleasure and they quickly died

2019-01-15 22:45:02 UTC  

Not to mention suicides from lack of pleasure with ones life

2019-01-15 22:45:39 UTC  

not being born without pain and pleasure is not my goal

2019-01-15 22:45:51 UTC  

pain is my goal

2019-01-15 22:45:56 UTC  

life driven by pain

2019-01-15 22:46:09 UTC  

Metaphysically pain is sign of danger

2019-01-15 22:46:20 UTC  

The context being to the organisms life

2019-01-15 22:46:30 UTC  

Whilst pleasure is success

2019-01-15 22:49:17 UTC  

Life driven by pain is a contradiction in the greatest of terms

2019-01-15 22:49:47 UTC  

pleasure is a good thing indeed but living life only on it is a life not worth living

2019-01-15 22:49:55 UTC  

hardship is needed to feel pleasure in the end

2019-01-15 22:50:10 UTC  

it is the hardship and journey that fills the void

2019-01-15 22:50:11 UTC  

people driven not by pleasure but hate and trying to feel less pain while seeing death as worst pain is best option for hellhuman era

2019-01-15 22:50:17 UTC  

Yes you need pain to survive and not to mention feel pleasure

2019-01-15 22:50:25 UTC  

Yin and Yang really

2019-01-15 22:50:33 UTC  

Not exactly

2019-01-15 22:50:38 UTC  

You just need the potential

2019-01-15 22:50:51 UTC  

It's like love and hate being one in the same ya know?