199 GOP 204 Dems

So GOP is doing better?

well yea

threres still like 30 toss ups tho

I googled "realpolitik" and apparently its origins are German not Swedish.

uh no shit lol

New link. If you're not a Fractal Nationalist what the frac are you doing?
https://discord.gg/gnb4PZ

>2 members

That's gonna be a no from me dog

It started yesterday

What exactly would you say you do here? What are your goals and how do you intend to achieve them? I'm offering a solution.

Me? I just listen to Nick's show and enjoy the shit posting in this server, my irl work is certainly not conducted over discord lol

I'm not living in the US but if I were I would have joined my local GOP and be working my way up the ranks after serving for 5-10 years in the military

And I can say that because that's essentially what I'm actually doing in another country

Fair enough. I have other activities as well, but I think this is a unique approach worth trying. If you're not interested there's no need to neg it.

What is it?

All you did was post a server with two members

Normanlord should people join the military for good optics and experience

There's more info higher up will repost

I just don't want to die for Israel

Essentially I think the soviets we're onto something organizationally. They had workers councils which elected members to higher councils. I think that this fractal hierarchical structure may be effective in a context with different founding stock and principles

OP


Bringing the NazBol meme to life. It has occurred to me that one aspect of the Soviet system that I think might have been successful is the soviets (workers councils) themselves. A council would be formed and a leader elected, who would go on to be a member of a higher council. I don't think this way of structuring things has been tried in any other context. It solves a number of problems though. In a democracy, I think there's a huge problem with the size of a consituency. If you want the attention of your representative, your individual vote matters little to them. Also, you can't be personally acquainted with them. I think this structure would work even better with a smaller council. Every effective organization is a hiearchy, and I think building up rather than out is the key to making it work. If you had a group of 5 to 10 people who chose a representative, I think the social cohesion would be high enough to keep that representative responsive. The process is iterative and exponential. Looking at organizations as fractals I think allows for a useful vector of analysis. The branching factor of a hierarchy might be used to compare unlike groups like how in statistics the z score allows you to compare the distributions of different datasets. I think there is a relationship between a smaller branching factor and the effectiveness of the organization. Compare an NGO with a military. An NGO involved perhaps two levels at the least, the executive board and the membership. In a military organization, the ratio is small as I've described. The NGO usually at best can collect donations and get low effort actions done, such as signing a petition. The military organization can get its members in shape and to undertake mortal peril.

I think the Soviet structure could have this benefit. I think if we formed small groups, elected leaders from them who formed groups, and iterated this process we could come up with something pretty spectacular.

@Hektor definitely worth it, it's peak optics in American politics tbh

Another point I have made is that some figures on the alt right rose to their positions of power by being the first ones there

Oh yeah I remember that

I told you it's corporatism

My understanding of that term is that it's when the government and industry rule cooperatively

But that's beside the point

Whatever you call it there's no right wing organization I'm aware of that has ever had that structure. I'm open to counter examples.

Specifically small sub dunbars number groups of people who elect their leaders iteratively into a functioning hierarchy

Well that structure, generally doesn't last long without reverting to essentially a system of dynastic succession

The GAA in Ireland is run like that

@NormanLord From your perspective

Where did the "Irish are not white meme" come from?

Not that there's anything wrong with dynastic succession but that's what it devolves into

Gimme a sec to reflect on that

I guess just as a general dehumanisation tactic

Tho from my recollection it started as a half joke towards the English at their attitude towards Ireland

The English could never understand why we refused their religion, language, culture, government etc for so long, it's funny in many ways after we gained independence the remnants of the British civil service in Ireland kept the processes killing Ireland ticking over

Emigration, shrinkage of Irish speaking areas, declining church attendance so on and so forth