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This equasion was based on Maxwell's equasions of electromagnetism. Einstein realized, because of using a rationalist equasion. The speed of light, in which electric and magnetic waves are in perfect sync, was an equasion, which he used to build off the findings of the Michaelson Morley experiment. They said that light must reach the earth at different speeds depending on the direction of the planet's rotation, they did this using interference patterns using a precision instrument known as the Michaelson Inferometer. Now, without the rational side of this equasion, nothing could be said about scientific thought.
This is why it is silly that scientists today reject the rationalists, such as Descartes. They have a point, there is a disconnect between what we can observe with the senses, and what we can know rationally.
The two work hand in hand, always, in science.
You cannot say empiricism is the only thing that matters, otherwise you negate science entirely.
If skeptics of today understood skepticism, they would understand Hume's problem of induction.
But they are not skeptics, they are materialists, which have been around for thousands of years.
It is nothing new.```

``` I would disagree that people are not naturally equal, given the is/ought divide of Hume. We can say that reason is a slave to the passions. What one prefers, is automatically separate from what something is, simply because that is how it exists. If we are to say that the universe will experience heat death in a few trillion years due to entropy, this is true regardless of if we want it to be true. In the same way, a person's intelligence, or their condition, is only preferable relevant to an individual's emotional preference. That is why I always say that IQ is a meaningless measure of worth, because how a person acts could be preferable, or not preferable.
To elaborate further. One cannot separate an is from an ought. For one to say someone has "worth", this claim is an ought claim. It is one which is relative to emotional preference. Subjective means "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions." Objective means "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts." If one is to say they find this or that trait preferable, then they are making a subjective claim, one which is according to personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. That would make it an "ought" claim, because something someone feels ought to be, cannot be what something "is". What something is, would be objective, which means not influenced by personal opinion. So, to say someone has worth, that would be an ought claim, because you're making a claim about preference.

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```But if there's economic growth in the third world, it cannot reach the level of the first world. Even mainstream centrist sources like CNN report this, but de-growth theorists report the same thing.

Environmental climate change has a 99% certainty rate among scientists that it is caused by industrialization.

Communism is a bad system, probably much, much worse than capitalism. However, a sustainable system, one based on worker co-ops, could be much better. I would highly recommend reading Bertrand Russell's Proposed Roads to Freedom. The most beautiful thing about a worker commune, de-growth society, which is based on community co-operation, instead of wage labor and profit, would be that much less work would be required. If you had a society, in which production was meant to sustain, not simply to grow, you wouldn't have so many people with unnecessary jobs, simply producing to earn the right to live.

This could lead to an explosion in creativity, intellectual pursuites, and Einstein on every corner, as they say. The beautiful part about it is, we may not have an option to to turn towards this goal, and achieve it. There are people who can explain why this society, as opposed to the beurocratic state run socialist societies, would lead to a much higher quality of existence, likely much better than I can.

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```I am happy that you are listening to me, and not simply lashing out like so many leftists, who cannot engage with ideas when they are too philosophical, and make them question their underlying way of thinking. Many people get into politics simply for emotional validation, and group acceptance. Philosophy undermines this, because it makes people question their basic beliefs. Collectivists cannot account for the paradoxes of collectivism, and it is shown in the way that they are unable to even address arguments sincerely, and turn to character assassinations, witticisms, and tribal shaming.
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```Capitalism has been the best method for growth in the first world, but it would take several planets if the third world sustained itself at the same rate as the first world. Capitalism is, however, unequivocally amazing for free speech and free thought and expression. Through my engagement with thinkers such as Bertrand Russell, and Noam Chomsky, I came to the conclusion a long time ago that we can have individualism without forced collectivization. It is the only way that we can be truly free.
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```Union membership was highest when the united states had the least income inequality, and the longest run without crashes, which came after the new deal. Although, ultimately, I think that capitalism is not sustainable, and something will have to give eventually, when the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, coupled with the end of growth due to environmental factors, causes it's collapse.
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```It would seem to me that under collectivist ideology, no one can have differing opinions. This is why communists and leftists are often some of the most belligerent people imaginable. They arrived at their conclusions through a sort of in-group bias, because it conforms to their emotional preference. I, too, am left wing, but I have tried to adopt an anti collectivist model, while still contemplating the critiques of capitalism that leftists normally do. I think that if we are to arrive at a compromise, we could say that ideas should be allowed to be free, and forced collectivization is wrong, and I say this as a non-binary person [meaning someone who sees the categories of male and female as cultural constructs which restrict behavior] who wants to reach out to those who are equally against collectivism and the SJW modality!```

```Most trans people, also, don't want to debate their existence. Being trans doesn't give you a degree in biology. My trans friends and I, often just want to be in peace. This is something to note, which may help you understand why it makes me tired. Trying to justify my existence through rational argument, when I've seen no evidence that invalidates my existence, but also to similtaniously need to give evidence when the science behind brain science is preliminary and shaky, and points towards arguments in favor of trans people, is one which many trans people find tiresom and Sisyphian.
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```Happy new year, and remember, the government doesn't exist. It's just bunch of atoms that we attach symbols to because homosapians construct symbolic concepts like "civilization" which only has meaning that we create through our concept of reality, which is constructed entirely by our own mind.```

```A border wall, is in my opinion a hostile action. Walls by definition typically built to defend a location or settlement, implying that those outside of these walls are hostile and enemies that want to kill you. By putting such a structure on a border, you imply the same towards the entirety of the country you are building the wall against. It implies that the entire country is an enemy out to destroy you, and you need to put a Wall to defend yourself and your people. For this reason it is immoral, because it is not true or right to judge the entirety of one country under one assumption and the actions of a few. Furthermore, it is not just any country, but one with multiple bilateral deals of cooperation in commerce and criminal justice. It is immoral and unjust towards Mexico, because it would represent as the equivalent of a diplomatic "fuck you", and greatly damage the relations between the two countries.
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```Fucking communist faggot just won't stop.
I literally mentioned how I told someone talking shit in poor English in the comments of a trump rally to properly learn the language before pissing on the leader of the country
And Commie dickless over here decides to dispute my fucking citizenship
over my choice of pejorative
I defend my fucking president, whether I like him or not, and this cunt questions my fucking citizenship
TWICE
IN TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING SERVERS```

```Fapping to trap porn is the least gay thing there is. If you fap to gay porn, that’s 2 guys, and that’s 100% gay. If you fap to ‘straight’ porn, then that has a woman, sure, but you’re also fapping to a guy, which makes it 50% gay. But a trap is like half male, half female, and thus a trap with a girl would add up to 75% girl, and thus only 25% gay. 2 women would be ideal, but that would be a lesbian relationship, which brings it around to gay again. If you fap to furry porn, then it’s in a weird gray area, where if it’s people in fursuits, the same rules apply, but if it’s with animals, I would think it depends on said animal’s sexuality. Then there’s consent. If a person doesn’t consent to something, but the other person does it anyway, that makes the other person stronger, and thus less gay. Let’s say that means they’re about 50% less gay. If it was gay rape, that means that it’s now 75% gay. If it’s straight rape by a man, then it’s 25% gay. And, if it’s trap gay porn, than that’s 12.5% gay. So technically, yes, rape trap porn is the least gay porn there is, but that’s still looped in with trap porn, hence why fapping to trap porn is the least gay thing there is.
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```I am a survivor of sexual assault by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2011. I have remained silent because I was afraid to speak up, but my brave fellow survivors of the #MeToo movement have inspired me to comw forward. I was working as a chef de partie at a Taco Bell in the jefferson valley mall the night of july 4 when I was first approached by AOC. She appeared inebriated, and made multiple unwanted comments, including "ay pendejo you got a fine ass, fucker". I smiled and allowed it to go on because i was intimidated. She groped my rear and my penis/ balls over my pants several times. I asked her to stop, and she called me joto or something. She then ordered me into the handicapped bathroom stall. I wanted to say no but her future power and status as a congresswoman intimidated me. She made me lie on the diaper changing station, where she proceeded to violate me with a cheesy gordita crunch. She partially insterted the food item into my anus and ate from it. She then jacked me off using the gordita. I wanted her to stop but was too scared. Shamefully I ejaculated and went back to my shift. Having survived the assault, i soon quit my job and moved out of state. It is not easy for me to share this story.
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```I can only try to express how silly it is that we devote our perceptions to solving the same puzzles we have solved a thousand times before, moving around the same blocks, all in the name of capital. We figured out how to open the handle of a door, and walk up the stairs, and go to school and follow rules, so that we could then stop there, because our consciousness had been enslaved to the capitalist, who took hold of perception so that he could profit.

So much of our lives toiling at menial labor, when there is more than enough resources for us all to hardly work at all. I can hear the retort right now... BUT WE NEED TO BUILD ROADS AND SCHOOLS SO THAT WE CAN ALL SURVIVE! Yes, it all comes back to survival, doesn't it, but does the imbecile brainwashed proletariat really believe that everything in our society serves a purpose? When it would take 4 planets of resources for the third world to consume as much as the first world, and 64 people own half the world's wealth, it makes you wonder how much of our time is spent idoly slaving away, just like in times of ancient greece when they had slaves, and the masters spent their idol time in pure thought and extacy, while the slaves toiled away at their expense.
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It's pathetic that my fellow white men don't actually understand the white lifestyle. You are simply not white enough. I live in a white mansion with white doors, white walls and white windows, the funiture are obviously top tier as well, white table, white desk, white chair, white book shelf to put all my white books like "The White Man's Bible" and "Building A Whiter And Brighter World" written by a white men called Ben Klassen. I hire white chiefs to cook me amazing white food, my favourite dish is pasta with white sauce and white sausage served on a white plate. My sex life is so fucking white it's snesational, I have white girls wearing white lingerie to massage me with oil on a white bed, then ride me til I burst all my white cum inside of them. Every morning I wake up from a white bed, eat white food while wearing white clothes then sprayed a fuck load of white cum in a white girl's white vagina, such a exquisite white lifestyle ! But despite how enjoyable my white mansion lifestyle is, I do love to travel to non-white countries with my white friends on my white private jet, just so we can spread our marvelous whiteness to the world.
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```wow you guys are pathetic. even a shitty person shouldn't be danced around on behind their back. just makes you just as shitty as them. having merriment over banning someone is just sad. and yes it is possible to be a bigger person, and yes it is your job to do so when youre a mod of a large discord chat. you have a responsibility to reflect positively and set an example. no you don't get a choice in this and get to remain in any way,ABOVE the person who violated many rules repeatedly . at least this shows that JDM and some other mods and users have a bit more growing to do and to not respect them as someone you reflects positively on the home server building community. I kind of thought this might be the case but i reserved my judgement, because I can sometimes err on the side of reading into text messages and assume them to be negative or snobby when usually they're not. i am not going to leave though because i have hope that the senior members and especially mods will choose to not engage in this celebration of hatred in the face of one little problem user. I'm going to guess none of you have prior experience in handling moderation of chat rooms,forums,discord chats ,etc ?```

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Hello, my name is Juan Pastoroni, CEO of Copy Pasta Industries. I’d like to let you know that we’ve just gained copyrights on a lot of copy pastas seen in this chat. If you are using them right now, please refrain from doing so, or risk being fined under copyright infringement. Thank you, and don’t be funny and copy and paste this. This is business, kid.```

```Look man, like, nah not even, man. I have seen things, dude. I know things that your consumerist sheeple pea brain couldn't even begin to conceive, and lemme tell you, it's bad. I won't elaborate here for fear of getting thrown in jail for a crime I didn't commit but shit is real```

```Ok but in all seriousness, this is kind of me. Becoming my fursona and living in that fantasy world is all I want out of life. Obviously, it isn't going to happen so I try to find other things I can strive for, but it's all just a shallow act. I can't find it in myself to be truly passionate about anything else in life. Before I got into the fandom, I had nothing at all, and now all I've got is one pointless, stupid dream that'll never happen. Is it better than nothing? I don't know. I shouldn't feel this way. I have a great family, a loving wife, a decent job and all that other shit, but I don't have any other dreams or aspirations. I'm just going through the motions, hoping I can find something, anything, that excites me like the idea of being Lexi. Yes, I know it's sick and I'm fucked in the head. Yes, I have spent over a decade in therapy trying to get my shit sorted out (and made great progress). There's still nothing else that I'm truly passionate about in a way that makes life seem meaningful, and I don't know why and it's driving me fucking insane.

Edit: Sorry for the drunken rant. I'll delete it in a bit, unless I forget. Just really needed to get this off my chest.

Edit 2: I might just leave this up, actually... I'm surprised that others feel the same way, and I'm curious to see how far this might go.```

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A conclusion I came to recently, after getting tremendously high, was that Godel’s proof shows that no axiomatic system can ever be coherent. Not Wittgenstein’s attempt at “ending philosophy” with the tractatus, the general model of physics which breaks down when you try to combine gravity and quantum physics, or Bertrand Russell’s attempt to create a “closed mathematical system”, result in anything but a system which must expand endlessly to account for all of its own contradictions.

What this tells me is anything we try to give ourselves to gain familiarity, which is really just an attempt to prove Hume’s problem of induction wrong, can ever produce “coherence” in anything systematic sense. Our own perceptions can operate on these systems in a highly local level, in that we can use small equations, and make basic metaphysical statements, like Aristotle does, but we will never grasp the whole.

I am certainly an atheist, in that calling “god” anything other than Spinoza’s deterministic whole makes no sense to me (and saying there is a deterministic whole in itself is kind of faith based, I believe in it because it seems to follow from what is demonstrable, in a sort of prima fasci way), because I’m not sure what exactly it is I’d be calling god, but I’ve become much more interested in Christian arguments like Aquinas after talking to my teacher recently who specializes in him. If the axioms we base our framework for reality on are never “proveable” in a truly systematic way, then what sort of assumptions is it possible to make and still be “consistent”? The fact that there is even a hint of doubt that religiosity doesn’t equal “unprovable” to me is fascinating in itself.```

```Shut the fuck up. I’m so tired of being disrespected in this goddamn group . All I wanted to do was post my opinion. MY OPINION. But no, you little bastards think it’s “hilarious” to mock those with good opinions. My opinion. while not absolute, is definitely worth the respect to formulate an ACTUAL FUCKING RESPONSE AND NOT JUST A SHORT MEME OF A REPLY. I’ve been in this group for 6 months: 6 MONTHS and I have never felt this wronged. It boils me up that I could spend so much time thinking and putting effort into things while you shits sit around (probably jerking off to traps or whatever gay shit you like) and make fun of the intellectuals of this world. I’ve bored you? Good for fucking you. Literally no one cares that your little brain is to underdeveloped and rotted to comprehend my idea...MY GREAT GREAT IDEA. I could sit here all whining, but I won’t. I’m NOT a whiner. I’m a realist and an intellectual. I know when to call it quits and to leave the babybrains to themselves.```

```I don't define the character of a people from an individual perspective, if you are a good member of a nation, then you deserve the products of that nations wealth.

Now, I can see why you would interpret this statement as negative. And let me tell you why I don't.

From your perspective, you believe that an individual man/woman who creates a "thing" or a service and proceeds to better their society because of that service deserves extra attention, gravitas, or "money".

And I'm assuming that your ground-work for this belief is either rooted the belief that this creates a more innovative society or you are more in favor of a society that treat the creators of a society with better materialistic things.

Either way, both these things are negligible. Because, if you truly do care about preserving the cultural aspects of your people and those who live within your nation then you would abandon ideas like that.

Because if you believe that those with good moral standings and good work ethics should be prosperous, then you should be more in favor of a society that rewards those who have the best cultural aspects of your culture.

However, I believe your retort to this may be "It's not fair that those who innovate don't get to keep their rewards".


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```But to ask a question, exactly why is this unfair?
The answer is that you are thinking from an individualistic point of view. From your P.O.V, an individual cannot gain anything of value from an interaction where his efforts serve to better his people in a fundamentally essential way. It is only fair that his efforts to innovate only benefit himself, and not society as a whole. Which is, somewhat, understandable. ONLY if you are thinking from that individualistic point of view.

It is, however, that a society cannot ever truly become a better version of itself if it is strictly focused on better an individual and not the collective spirit of the nation. Is it not fruitful that your efforts serve to extremely better the interest of your people, and vice versa?

This sort of toxic individualism is why you see corporations and companies with an amazing amount of power and loose morals not looking for the best interest of the people, and thus not wishing to better their society.

This is significant because these powerful corporations with individualistic desires will not benefit their own nation to the same extent to which a collective society will benefit each other.
Thus, the main summary is that because you have a society with collectivist tendencies, this society will benefit each other (and thus the individual) more than if you operated under a society with individual morals. However, this maximum benefit to society cannot be achieved if one is to view their prosperity as solely for their own gain and not the gain of those who share the same good beliefs as themselves.
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I'm not even gonna read this <:kek:590371888480387073>
```Just to address the idea that "capitalism doesn't create distinctions between people" first. I don't understand how you can say this. Is it not viewed as socially inappropriate to be someone of a lower-class? Is it not viewed as socially greater to be someone of a higher-class? This idea that is is you are better or worse depending on your social class just proves that people do divide themselves on.... well... "artificial classes". This is significant, because a nation can never truly advance if it's own people are divided amongst itself. A nation cannot spiritually prosper if there is no common goal to better the people. Someone who cares for their nation will care about the spirit of their people. And you cannot claim to care about the spirit of your people if you want to forward a society that wants to continue to divide itself. However, if you do believe that the spirit of the people is meaningless then that is another conversation to be had.```

``` I don't believe in taxes or anything that perpetuates capitalism```

```I an a goddamn pillar of salt
Like imagine a world comprised nothing of salt. There are no other elements. From the edge of the universe to the other, it's super densely packed salt. A salt so dense and so heavy that it collapses in on itself to form a big crunch and even more, infinitely salty universes. That amount of salt, is nothing, compared to how angry I am with star wars
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```The ancient Greek considered fucking women a duty to the city, because babies are needed for a strong Army. But to find real pleasure they would fuck each other because only a man has the intellectual capacity to understand another man. Bromance was literally the norm. They had a motto that somewhat translates into "women for duty, men for pleasure". Their misogyny was such that in some cities the women developed completely different dialects because they had such little contact with the men. And somehow the Greek had more mathematicians, philosophers, architects than the rest of the more "traditional" humanity had, until Galileo invented the scientific method and started modern physics quite a lot of years later. So I'm not gay. I'm a Spartan.```

```Everybody was kung-flu dying
Those chinks dropped as fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit frightening
But they died with expert timing

There were commie Chinamen from commie Chinatown
They were coofing it up and they were coofing it down
It's an ancient Chinese art and everybody knew their part
From a faint into a slip and shaking from the hip

Everybody was kung-flu dying
Those chinks dropped as fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit frightening, hell, yeah
But they died with expert timing

There was sickly Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung
He said: "Here comes the virus, lets get it on"
We took a mask and made a stand, started coofing into their hands
The sudden infection made me sick now we're taking an incinerator trip

Everybody was kung-flu dying
Those chinks dropped as fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit frightening
But they died it with expert timing

[Repeat]
Make sure you have expert timing
Kung-flu dying, had to be fast as lightning```