Message from TMatthews in Nice Respectable People Group #general
Seriously tho...mod team jokes about going to sleep at night and having nightmares of absolute disasters happening in <#481597551272001546>
For real, I've had those nightmares before.
Mrs Logan must be writing a book...
Or hen pecking her keyboard one letter at a time. 🤔
A thought I had continued from a conversation in <#359019439116648458> ...
The favorite slurs of the media for us are "neo-nazi" and "white supremacist." These evoke all that 1.0 baggage we want to shed-- which is why they roll off our backs like water off a duck since we look/sound/feel nothing like 1.0. Contrast this with the term "white nationalist." To some people *in* the movement this term evokes that 1.0 image, but I suspect to most people *outside* the movement it does not necessarily evoke this image, in large part because it is being juxtaposed with the aforementioned extreme terms, and because guys like Steve King are getting labeled "white nationalist" by the media. For this reason I think we are seeing a normalization of the term, as was pointed out recently on FTN. Not saying we should ditch "identitarian" right now, but it will be interesting to see how public opinion of these terms evolves in the coming years.
Anyone have opinions on Balkanization? Maps?
Won't happen in our lifetime
As much as I want the Imperium of Greater Ohio, it's not going to happen
@Ben Rainsford - OH don’t let your memes be dreams brother
It’s also one of the only real options I see left.
No Mercy North of Toledo!
@missliterallywho I identified as a White nationalist for years, but the problem with the term goes beyond the antics of 1.0. The problem is with the term white, our enemies can easily misuse that term and apply towards everyone with light skin, non-Europeans included.
Furthermore the term allows them to break race down and claim that it is just a difference in melanin.
That's why I like the term Identitarian, because it is something new and it can't be defined by our enemies in the same old fashioned, stereotypical ways that White Nationalism can be.
@Virgil I disagree. They may play at tactical nihilism but no one will buy it. Everyone knows who's white when we're the enemy, proving they know, period. Did you see the debate between Enoch and Sargin where the latter claimed not to know who's white? Same thing.
To Virgil's point, Identity Evropa is a good name because Identity encompasses more than just biology. Obviously there is a biological component to race, but this wording lets us use normie friendly culture talking points too. Evropa also avoids the "what about dark skinned Italians?" nonsense
@missliterallywho It doesn't really matter whether people buy it or not. In an argument or on the political stage, White can be obfuscated into oblivion. Furthermore the term itself, disconnects us from our pre-American, European hetitage.
I think Indigenous European or European for short is a better term to use. Because it can restore our connection to our ancestral homelands and it is much more difficult to obfuscate.
Another point. The single biggest reason for using identitarian is that most people don't know what it is. Say you're white nat and they'll call you racist without considering anything else you say. Say you're identitarian and they'll ask "what's that?" This gives you the ability to define what you stand for on your own terms.
That's why the term alt-right was so useful before it went mainstream and the media branded it as neo-nazism
@Virgil "European" basically means anyone from anywhere to a lot of leftists. Look at the "French" World Cup team as an example. Those are all "French" to many now. <:sad:366743316475281408> 😡
Y'all aren't thinking like normies
@Asatru Artist - MD If they try to use that argument, just ask if Elon Musk is African American. The double standard is obvious and white people like fairness
@Asatru Artist - MD Indigenous European, off the boat Africans cannot reasonably be defined that way, regardless of what leftists say.
There is nothing "reasonable" about leftists though.
We're not trying to reason with leftists. We're trying to juxtaposition our ideas with theirs so that the average MAGA type sides with us
Is there a fireside chat soon?
Yes, I believe Wayne will be hosting tonight. Feel free to jump into the voice chat now. @Smitty83
Yeah that what I yhought. Only 6 people are in voice.
Great thanks will do!
Gonna miss this one lads. Having dinner with Scandinavian family. This is when pathological altruism actually works.
People are fighting over how to help and pay for things.
Thanks for the reminder on the mics.
Coming in clean.
Hot Mic Nationalism incoming.
Great to have you host, Wayne!
We love you Wayne!