Message from The Eternal Anglo in Nice Respectable People Group #general


2018-08-31 17:32:57 UTC  

Tfw the kirtarchy actually works (in our favor)...

2018-08-31 17:33:24 UTC  

Lol yes it does and I hope it continues

2018-08-31 17:39:07 UTC  

reading a few of these, it's amazing how codified society was http://iws.collin.edu/mbailey/hammurabi's%20laws.htm

2018-08-31 17:39:24 UTC  

(Hammurabi's laws)

2018-08-31 18:05:29 UTC  

I dunno Chris, seems like they pretty much just killed everybody who did something wrong.

2018-08-31 18:05:36 UTC  

Not a very "chill" society.

2018-08-31 18:06:46 UTC  

Yeah dude, "This builder built a house, and it fell down 5 years later, just get rid of him"

2018-08-31 18:07:53 UTC  

It does illustrate how unnatural it is to live in a large settlement, though. We have since gotten very good at structuring large societies, but early cities must have been hellish

2018-08-31 18:10:36 UTC  

282. If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

2018-08-31 18:11:42 UTC  

Half of these include burying the guy who did you wrong in your house. What's up with that?

2018-08-31 18:12:20 UTC  

I'm good with just cutting his ear off

2018-08-31 18:15:26 UTC  

But one may have to consider. Before large settlements and complex societies, the only jurisprudence may have been personal vendettas. So maybe these laws reconcile local custom with an objective apparatus for implementing law.

2018-08-31 18:15:53 UTC  

215: If a physician performs eye surgery and saves the eye, he shall receive ten shekels in money.

Ancient eye surgery <:nervous:359009898115104770>

2018-08-31 18:18:07 UTC  

@Jason - CT absolutely, what I'm saying is that the apparatus is clunky, and that I'm happy to live in a time where the heavy hand of the state doesn't weigh down on me in such an inhuman way

2018-08-31 18:19:23 UTC  

I wonder how much of this was actually necessary to enforce.

2018-08-31 18:20:06 UTC  

Or if threat of really clear and severe capital punishment was enough to dissuade all but the most impulsive criminals.

2018-08-31 18:20:50 UTC  

Some of these seem to be very easy to accidentally commit

2018-08-31 18:21:34 UTC  

Yeah i noted that as well

2018-08-31 18:23:10 UTC  

192. If an adopted son says to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

2018-08-31 18:23:38 UTC  

195. If a son strikes his father, his hands shall be cut off.

2018-08-31 18:24:28 UTC  

196. If someone says, "They watch anime" they shall have their eyes removed

2018-08-31 18:25:03 UTC  

This is a good law ^

2018-08-31 18:26:14 UTC  

Idk. Seems like they were on to something.

2018-08-31 18:28:12 UTC  

127. If any one "point the finger" at (slanders or accuses of adultery) a holy woman or someone else’s wife but cannot prove it, this man shall be taken before the judges and his brow shall be marked (by cutting the skin, or perhaps cutting off half his hair.)

2018-08-31 18:28:14 UTC  

lol.

2018-08-31 18:28:20 UTC  

Half of ya'll would be bald.

2018-08-31 18:30:26 UTC  

Respect Wamen

2018-08-31 18:32:06 UTC  

@Sean @Wamyn. Don't be sexist!

2018-08-31 18:32:14 UTC  

@Deleted User Tfw Muller has no hair.

2018-08-31 18:32:15 UTC  

Wvmvn

2018-08-31 18:33:43 UTC  

141. If a man's wife, who lives in his house, wishes to leave to engage in business, plunging them into debt, trying to ruin her house, and neglecting her husband, and is judicially convicted, if her husband wants a divorce, she may go on her way, and he gives her nothing as a gift of release. If her husband does not wish to release her, and instead chooses to take another wife, the first wife shall remain as servant in her husband's house. OG Thot patroling

2018-08-31 18:35:47 UTC  

@fgtveassassin Sounds alot like many verses in the Old Testament.

2018-08-31 18:39:36 UTC  

That sounds like a strong, independent first wife. She should have been a cool wine aunt.

2018-08-31 18:40:08 UTC  

200. Thou shall not talk down to thy neighbor's wife's son.

2018-08-31 18:45:53 UTC  

Interesting convo y’all are having!

2018-08-31 18:46:29 UTC  

Just lurking here

2018-08-31 18:47:06 UTC  

Wonder how some of these played out, like: 207. If the man dies of his wound, he shall swear similarly, and if he (the deceased) was a free-born man, he shall pay half a mina in money.

Would there be anyone on the side of the deceased who could testify, for example, the killer had motive to kill the person?

2018-08-31 18:49:02 UTC  

These do sound a lot like the Old Testament. Brb google

2018-08-31 18:50:01 UTC  

Old Testament began to be written around 400 years after Hammurabi’s code.

2018-08-31 18:52:10 UTC  

@fgtveassassin Doesn't seem to require proof of motive.

2018-08-31 18:52:40 UTC  

@fgtveassassin I think these did not play out very often, perhaps most of their authority was in the words of the law itself, as law enforcement was primitive and ineffective