Message from NITRODUBS in Nice Respectable People Group #general
Well repression doesn’t sound like a cure. It just sounds like a form of ‘treatment’ if we’re framing it as a disease.
Repression isn’t always the outcome, but it’s definitely better than outwardly expressing that
The LGBT is constantly trying to ban conversion therapy camps and counselors, which is so odd for me because the majority of people who use these services are consenting adults.
If we’re being honest, that stuff is basically torture.
And it doesn’t work.
It really isn’t lol. If you really believe the “shock therapy” myth, I’m going to tell you now that there has only been one “therapist” that has used that and he has been shamed since. Gay therapy practices are very similar to AA meetings and other illness counseling
And if you’re against that, what do you suggest we do? Just allow them to continue life practicing gay behavior?
It’s unfair to not offer these people help when a lot of them want help. Taking away therapy because you deem it “torture”, when in reality, it’s similar to any other therapists practices, it unfair. We need to get rid of this boogey-man thought process that gay therapy is electro shock, abusive torture. That is liberal propaganda, and I suggest you look further into this.
So which is it? A fetish, a disease, or an addiction?
You’re using AA as an example.
A disease and a fetish. It’s not like these things can be exclusive.
Y'all still talking about boy-touchers and kid-didlers?
And... me using AA as an example isn’t calling it an addiction, I’m referencing the group practices of the AA, it’s an analogy, not meant to be literal.
I know that a society that doesn’t harbor gay practices and acceptance is probably the best “treatment”for these people, but we don’t have that right now. We have to offer them other solutions. It is a disease, it should be treated as such.
(Also let me clarify a bit, I’m specifically talking about American and European conversion therapy. I’m aware there is actual torture based conversion therapy in other countries, especially in Africa and Central America)
And to clarify what electro shock therapy even is and it’s uses, this is a helpful non biased article. Electro shock is not a barbaric practice, and has been successfully used to treat depression in many cases. It is entirely different from the electro shock “torture” they write in these articles about gay conversion therapy. https://amp.health.com/depression/10-myths-and-facts-about-shock-therapy
The only clinical use for electro shock therapy is for extremely depressed individuals where anti depressants can never help, and that also with sedatives.
Or like extreme mania.
And what people tend to have extreme depressive behaviors and illnesses? ... gay people.
And the gay people that have sought out electro therapy don’t get this treatment at conversion camps.
It’s at licensed medical practices
Even if that’s true, that doesn’t address the orientation.
Depression is tied with the orientation. Depression and other mental illnesses leads to multiple destructive behaviors, and one of the most common of these behaviors is sexual deviancy.
If you want to continue this though, we should probably go to DMs before we get yelled at lmao
Well we’re not going to get yelled at, and I think this is civil.
I just thought that because this is more of a personal conversation at this point because it’s just the two of us talking
Also I’m really new and not super familiar with the rules
But there could be a multitude of explanations for greater depression in that community. It’s not as if a majority of geys are depressed enough to do EST and that it will address both issues.
I will say this, sometimes gayness is triggered by extreme depression and something depression is triggered by gay practices
Either way, if you eliminate the depression, it still overall contributes to the persons mentality in positive way
But overall I think the science is pretty nuanced on all of this.
And also, I wouldn’t go making the claim that a majority of gays arent depressed enough, considering the incredibly high suicide rates.
We can criticize the community and its propagation, but I doubt any scientist on the matter would say it’s only caused by social encouragement factors or a pedophilic experience, as obviously bad as that is.
Or that there is a pathway from depression -> homosexuality.
I never really said that those were the only two factors though, I mentioned mental illness quite a few times. Any practice that goes agains the natural human urge to reproduce is an illness.
But I need to clean now! It was really nice talking with you.
Solid new docu from Jonas Nilsson about Swedish support to the MK and ANC: