Message from NITRODUBS in Nice Respectable People Group #general


2018-09-01 14:44:31 UTC  

Well repression doesn’t sound like a cure. It just sounds like a form of ‘treatment’ if we’re framing it as a disease.

2018-09-01 14:45:01 UTC  

Repression isn’t always the outcome, but it’s definitely better than outwardly expressing that

2018-09-01 14:45:38 UTC  

The LGBT is constantly trying to ban conversion therapy camps and counselors, which is so odd for me because the majority of people who use these services are consenting adults.

2018-09-01 14:46:40 UTC  

If we’re being honest, that stuff is basically torture.

2018-09-01 14:46:49 UTC  

And it doesn’t work.

2018-09-01 14:49:42 UTC  

It really isn’t lol. If you really believe the “shock therapy” myth, I’m going to tell you now that there has only been one “therapist” that has used that and he has been shamed since. Gay therapy practices are very similar to AA meetings and other illness counseling

2018-09-01 14:50:41 UTC  

And if you’re against that, what do you suggest we do? Just allow them to continue life practicing gay behavior?

2018-09-01 14:52:37 UTC  

It’s unfair to not offer these people help when a lot of them want help. Taking away therapy because you deem it “torture”, when in reality, it’s similar to any other therapists practices, it unfair. We need to get rid of this boogey-man thought process that gay therapy is electro shock, abusive torture. That is liberal propaganda, and I suggest you look further into this.

2018-09-01 14:52:40 UTC  

So which is it? A fetish, a disease, or an addiction?

2018-09-01 14:53:01 UTC  

You’re using AA as an example.

2018-09-01 14:53:05 UTC  

A disease and a fetish. It’s not like these things can be exclusive.

2018-09-01 14:53:30 UTC  

Y'all still talking about boy-touchers and kid-didlers?

2018-09-01 14:53:33 UTC  

And... me using AA as an example isn’t calling it an addiction, I’m referencing the group practices of the AA, it’s an analogy, not meant to be literal.

2018-09-01 14:55:16 UTC  

I know that a society that doesn’t harbor gay practices and acceptance is probably the best “treatment”for these people, but we don’t have that right now. We have to offer them other solutions. It is a disease, it should be treated as such.

2018-09-01 14:57:50 UTC  

(Also let me clarify a bit, I’m specifically talking about American and European conversion therapy. I’m aware there is actual torture based conversion therapy in other countries, especially in Africa and Central America)

2018-09-01 15:02:55 UTC  

And to clarify what electro shock therapy even is and it’s uses, this is a helpful non biased article. Electro shock is not a barbaric practice, and has been successfully used to treat depression in many cases. It is entirely different from the electro shock “torture” they write in these articles about gay conversion therapy. https://amp.health.com/depression/10-myths-and-facts-about-shock-therapy

2018-09-01 15:04:53 UTC  

The only clinical use for electro shock therapy is for extremely depressed individuals where anti depressants can never help, and that also with sedatives.

2018-09-01 15:05:36 UTC  

Or like extreme mania.

2018-09-01 15:05:39 UTC  

And what people tend to have extreme depressive behaviors and illnesses? ... gay people.

2018-09-01 15:06:03 UTC  

And the gay people that have sought out electro therapy don’t get this treatment at conversion camps.

2018-09-01 15:06:17 UTC  

It’s at licensed medical practices

2018-09-01 15:06:31 UTC  

Even if that’s true, that doesn’t address the orientation.

2018-09-01 15:07:14 UTC  

Depression is tied with the orientation. Depression and other mental illnesses leads to multiple destructive behaviors, and one of the most common of these behaviors is sexual deviancy.

2018-09-01 15:07:56 UTC  

If you want to continue this though, we should probably go to DMs before we get yelled at lmao

2018-09-01 15:08:13 UTC  

Well we’re not going to get yelled at, and I think this is civil.

2018-09-01 15:08:46 UTC  

I just thought that because this is more of a personal conversation at this point because it’s just the two of us talking

2018-09-01 15:09:15 UTC  

Also I’m really new and not super familiar with the rules

2018-09-01 15:09:33 UTC  

But there could be a multitude of explanations for greater depression in that community. It’s not as if a majority of geys are depressed enough to do EST and that it will address both issues.

2018-09-01 15:11:21 UTC  

I will say this, sometimes gayness is triggered by extreme depression and something depression is triggered by gay practices

2018-09-01 15:11:45 UTC  

Either way, if you eliminate the depression, it still overall contributes to the persons mentality in positive way

2018-09-01 15:12:28 UTC  

Maybe

2018-09-01 15:12:46 UTC  

But overall I think the science is pretty nuanced on all of this.

2018-09-01 15:12:59 UTC  

And also, I wouldn’t go making the claim that a majority of gays arent depressed enough, considering the incredibly high suicide rates.

2018-09-01 15:14:37 UTC  

We can criticize the community and its propagation, but I doubt any scientist on the matter would say it’s only caused by social encouragement factors or a pedophilic experience, as obviously bad as that is.

2018-09-01 15:15:09 UTC  

Or that there is a pathway from depression -> homosexuality.

2018-09-01 15:15:38 UTC  

I never really said that those were the only two factors though, I mentioned mental illness quite a few times. Any practice that goes agains the natural human urge to reproduce is an illness.

2018-09-01 15:19:33 UTC  

But I need to clean now! It was really nice talking with you.

2018-09-01 15:19:59 UTC  

Likewise

2018-09-01 15:42:14 UTC  

Solid new docu from Jonas Nilsson about Swedish support to the MK and ANC: