I just feel like that has to have some sort of correlation, since there would be more people in need of protection.

To my knowledge, not really. I mean one can imagine a high crime area would likely see an increase in spending in law enforcement agencies if possible, so that would be the only correlation I could see. @NITRODUBS

@NITRODUBS @Suomi Stronk ...and just the fact that there's elevated crime means that there's a higher demand for law enforcement services, even if said demand isn't being met.

I guess the only correlation I could make then is that children raised by single mothers are more likely to commit crime, but even then that kinda targets a uh... specific demographic lol

I just heard someone talking about that

So I wanted to see if any of you guys knew what they meant by it

@NITRODUBS Yeah, but's there's no reason to shy away from *certain demographics* being disproportionately responsible for crime. That's one of the cases that we're desperately trying to make 😉

...unless your research is being presented in a venue where that's off-limits.

Oh no I get that, I was just trying to relate that back to the single mothers/independent women in general thing.

But... also most single mothers are that demographic

Oh. Yeah. That's what I was getting at, lol.

...but, of course, it holds true for everyone.

I think white single mothers are still even different though, because I saw a study where impoverished white children commit far less violent crime than black children, but white children/adults still commit a lot more petty crimes when raised in those types of homes

And I’d like to use an anecdote I have (as silly as that sounds). But we have two highly impoverished areas in my town, the east and the west. The east made up almost entirely of white peoples, and the West with black. The east has decently low violent crime rates, but drug arrests and theft are common. In the West, violent crime, theft and drug use are all VERY high

I dunno. My kid is in single parent homes and does just fine.

I’m definitely not trying to say every kid from a single parent is a criminal lol. Please don’t take that too personally, I’m just going from statistics

This. You can have places like Chicago where a relatively large amount of tax dollars are spent on law enforcement, but even still they don't have near the manpower to be able to effectively crack down the crime.

@NITRODUBS For sure, there are HUGE distinctions between racial groups when it comes to the prominence of criminality among single-mother households. I mostly grew up in one, in a neighborhood with many others, and our idea of the "criminal element" was that you didn't go over to play at one kid's house in particular, because his dad was rumored to "smoke reefer," lol, but violent crime was unheard of.

Doesn't mean it's optimal, though, obviously.

Nothing personal taken. Although, he is different as his parents are divorced, not just a one night stand fling.

I came from a single parent home too, I know the feel. My mom was widowed, but i definitely struggled without a father figure, up until I realized I was struggling because of that and became self aware.

And yeah I definitely suggest a two parent home if possible, but I’m willing to understand the differences in demographics

@NITRODUBS Yeah. Well, widows are a different case in that they didn't abandon their wedding vows, but instead lost their spouse. Sorry you had to go through that, though.

Jaooooooo

...and all I meant by that was that I don't fault widows for their situation, though I think it ultimately behooves them to remarry.

So “abandon wedding vows” but widows can remarry? Don’t think I get your morals here.

"Till death do us part." Death nullifies wedding vows.

Lol

...after an understandable and respectable period of mourning, obviously.

You know in white culture back in the day, the widow wasn’t supposed to get remarried. It was frowned upon. Granted, so was divorce, but to stick so strongly to wedding vows I have to assume you’re religious. To have such polarizing views is puzzling.

Widows frequently married the brothers of their husbands, it was customary to take care of your brother's wife if he met an untimely end and you were single

Depends on the culture (and religion), and obviously some cases are understandable (i.e. instances of abuse, wherein the abusive spouse is recalcitrant), but I think that the overwhelming impetus should be directed toward preserving the integrity of the marriage, and although I do have my own metaphysical views, this particular position is mostly rooted in sociology, rather than any kind of religious imperative.

@Lawrence - TX True.

So forcing people to stay in a marriage miserable is better for society than having them separate?

...and I'm not saying that, if you're divorced, I condemn you as a piece of crap, and refuse to associate with you. Obviously, our generation is one that's just now starting to find its legs, and blindly feeling out a new path. I'm sure as hell far from any ideal, but ideals have their place nonetheless...

@Infineon What I'm saying is that a man and a woman who enter into marriage together, and who then find themselves feeling "miserable," should see as it as their primary priority to get to the root of what it is about each other or themselves that's making them feel that way, and try to address it, showing a willingness to swallow their pride and leave their comfort zones in attempting to do so, rather than just throwing in the towel.

That’s naive.

If we, as identitarians, and as White people, can't even find it in ourselves to form one, single functional and rewarding relationship in our lives (and the most meaningful and consequential, for that matter), then how can we possibly expect to be able to form relationships in the kinds of numbers, and of the the kind of depth required to effect the degree of change necessary to save our people?

*cringe*

The word is "humility."

*cringe*

Mind you, just for the sake of full disclosure, I've never been married, though I am intimately familiar with the kind of life that results from a single-parent household. That said, it seems that I've hit a nerve...