Message from @Asatru Artist - MD

Discord ID: 497080128115965952


2018-10-03 16:10:01 UTC  

It’s boring because it’s a triangle

2018-10-03 16:10:30 UTC  

As far as a better one, idk. We’d have to think of something

2018-10-03 16:10:33 UTC  

I disagree with alot of the sentiments expressed in the past hour.

Identity Evropa, is pretty difficult to express exactly who we are and what we are about. Even an elevator pitch (~30) to someone about Identity Evropa leaves them with more questions than answers. "Europa... but this is America" "Why not american identity?" "What's with the triangle" "What's with the 'V'" People just don't *get it*. We should seek to be a mainstream movement. Having a familiar and normal name, color scheme and symbolism go a long way to normalizing our views. We have to move past the "Evropean Neitzchian/Faustian esoteric racialist club" mindset.

Additionally, there are things we want to move away from. A new org would provide some distance from our founder (he's a great man who put his mark on the universe, and I think we all understand the nuance of his situation, but let's call it what it is) "A felon convicted of a hate crime who became aware of white Identity via a book by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke"

That's not to mention comments by a one Eli Mosley, espousing literal exterminationist rhetoric and lying about his military record.

That's not to mention Charlottesville.

In summary, I think Identity Evropa sounds weird and decidedly foreign to an American ear. Additionally some of these really cursed associations will always plague Identity Evropa - perhaps less so with a new org.

2018-10-03 16:12:13 UTC  

So you're saying we need to be something more like "The Minutemen"

2018-10-03 16:12:25 UTC  

I should have prefaced - this is MY personal opinion, not the opinion of leadership as a whole. We have not come to a consensus on the matter. Rigorous debate on serious issues is pretty healthy IMO, so keep it coming.

2018-10-03 16:12:29 UTC  

or something more foundationally American?

2018-10-03 16:12:40 UTC  

Just more american in general

2018-10-03 16:12:55 UTC  

"The Tea Party" was a pretty good one as an example

2018-10-03 16:14:09 UTC  

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2018-10-03 16:14:14 UTC  

We still need to convey that we are an organization explicitly for white people

2018-10-03 16:14:35 UTC  

My problem with us becoming more, "American" is the question of: What will make us different from other American-advocating orgs? the term, 'American' to most normies, has negative connotation to it, people can easily say, "What about the blacks or the Chinese?" They could also use ol'reliable, "America is the melting pot!"

2018-10-03 16:14:47 UTC  

@Deleted User I think potentially rebranding is better than forming a new organization and we should keep the dragons eye logo. But maybe change our name to something more American like Identity Columbia and change the color scheme to red, white and blue.

2018-10-03 16:15:22 UTC  

If they look at us, and compare us to a civ-nat group... it would be easy for a normie to dismiss us as other, 'specifically American' groups who also wanted to keep, 'America American'

They would prefer the civ-nat group instead

2018-10-03 16:15:59 UTC  

If we were to Americanize our aesthetics we would need a motta to go with the logo and name that conveys we are explicitly white

2018-10-03 16:16:10 UTC  

And yeah what would differentiate us from TPUSA

2018-10-03 16:17:17 UTC  

Also, I think brand and name recognition are very important. This would toss a lot of that away, it’s like changing your name and avatar online lmao

2018-10-03 16:17:42 UTC  

I'm in agreement that a name change ends up making us look like milktoast civnats <:sad:366743316475281408>

2018-10-03 16:18:08 UTC  

"America" =/= white to a vast majority of people now imho

2018-10-03 16:18:24 UTC  

We're already doing so incredibly well with what we have, I think changing any of our progress would hurt more than it would do good for us. All the problems we're facing right now, is due to bad mistakes from recent leadership, but our name has not been necessarily tainted, at all either.

If we *DID* change our name, what's stopping the SPLC and ADL listing us as another "Evil white supremacist Nazi" group? It makes the loss of social capital useless, we would lose FAR more than we would potentially gain

2018-10-03 16:18:47 UTC  

@NateDahl76 "European roots, American greatness."

2018-10-03 16:18:57 UTC  

@The Eternal Anglo or just labeling us "formerly Identity Evropa"

2018-10-03 16:19:05 UTC  

...though we'd probably lose that with the rebrand.

2018-10-03 16:19:53 UTC  

To be fair, we do a pretty good job at not being labeled "Former National Youth Front"

2018-10-03 16:21:14 UTC  

Yeah I don’t think Nathan’s stuff dogs us that much at all

2018-10-03 16:21:30 UTC  

no matter our name, rebranding will just be a new name for the (((media))) to smear as evil whitey

2018-10-03 16:21:30 UTC  

I think it would only be a matter of time before the SPLC/ADL crowd recognized familiar faces. What they think doesn't matter. What matters is what the average White person thinks of both us and them.

2018-10-03 16:22:29 UTC  

and no, we don't care what the ADL says about us, but normies do, so a rebrand doesn't fix a thing imo

2018-10-03 16:22:43 UTC  

and just makes us look like optics cucks

2018-10-03 16:23:02 UTC  

Identity CivNat is all it would look like to most. <:really:453005408064241674>

2018-10-03 16:23:32 UTC  

The only way a name change makes any sense is if it’s altering the message it sends. But again i think the risk/reward isnt worth it and it would be better to change the logo

2018-10-03 16:23:33 UTC  

I think your average White person is looks upon with the SPLC and ADL with more and more suspicion by the day. They key is continuing to agitate and drive them crazy, while leaving nothing with which to fault us.

2018-10-03 16:23:41 UTC  

Exactly, our target audience is to gain the trust, and respect of the average White American, not the attention of the Mass media, SPLC, and ADL.

Secondly, which this is very important... people today, now more than ever, have a *huge* distrust of the MSM, and other big orgs associated with the MSM. We're set up perfectly

2018-10-03 16:23:43 UTC  

If we’re going to change anything at all

2018-10-03 16:23:48 UTC  

I think rebranding would give us a certain distance from Charlottesville and give us more legitimacy to appeal to the average Conservative and Centrist. But we shouldn't do it to get the media or the SPLC off our backs, we should do it so we can reach our target demographic.

2018-10-03 16:23:51 UTC  

Plus we’re doing pretty great right now. No need for the debate atm, and I think Patrick has been pretty clear about his stance for the time being

2018-10-03 16:24:07 UTC  

We *ARE* optics cucks. The Optics War proved how vital optics are, lol.

2018-10-03 16:24:34 UTC  

@Sherlock and what is your logo suggestion? what conveys what you see as proper and bold?

2018-10-03 16:24:59 UTC  

optics cucking to the point of looking like boring civnats is a bridge too far though

2018-10-03 16:25:00 UTC  

Too much rebranding ruins the brand and the reputation that we have built with people who aren’t paying super close attention

2018-10-03 16:25:15 UTC  

That being said, wouldn’t mind if we change the v to a u lmao

2018-10-03 16:25:19 UTC  

@Asatru Artist - MD It would be an aesthetic change, not an idealogical change. It's not like we'd start accepting based Nigerians if we rebranded. So how is it optics cucking?