Message from @Deleted User

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2018-10-03 17:16:08 UTC  

@MrDefault The non-whites would just switch to Latin to leach off us again.

2018-10-03 17:16:13 UTC  

@Asatru Artist - MD I agree but I wouldn't be so quick to derisively refer to it as an invading language

2018-10-03 17:16:18 UTC  

Of foreign people.

2018-10-03 17:16:48 UTC  

didn't know border jumper would trigger people 😂

2018-10-03 17:17:03 UTC  

What if we rebranded to Identity Europa and drop the V

2018-10-03 17:17:15 UTC  

@Deleted User Based on the statements above: Patrick has been doing very well with giving us a better name, he's been getting all sorts of interviews on youtube with various significant figures, with similar, non-larpy views. We even got Jared to still advocate for us, despite the recent history with previous leadership.... though the history is there, I would argue that the baggage of the previous mistakes have lightened up, at least a little up for sure. My concern is if any of the previous baggage would come up to bite us way later down the road, though

2018-10-03 17:17:16 UTC  

Is that a serious suggestion?

2018-10-03 17:17:16 UTC  

Sorry pal I'm very thin skinned <:really:453005408064241674>

2018-10-03 17:17:18 UTC  

still has the baggage ^ (mr default)

2018-10-03 17:17:28 UTC  

@Deleted User No, lol.

2018-10-03 17:17:35 UTC  

@Jacob We' d be reclaiming the american name and culture from the civnats

2018-10-03 17:18:18 UTC  

"Society of Friends"

2018-10-03 17:18:26 UTC  

@The Eternal Anglo baggage certainly could, but it would be harder - again just one of many, many reasons to make a new org.

2018-10-03 17:18:39 UTC  

We don't have enough influence to reclaim anything right now

2018-10-03 17:18:48 UTC  

We need to reclaim influence first

2018-10-03 17:19:04 UTC  

@Deleted User I get what you're saying, but no matter what we call ourselves we'll be labeled supremacists by the ADL/SPLC. There is no way to be part of any pro-white organization without the risk of losing friends, family, career, etc. Hopefully that changes at some point, and I think it will as white identity politics inevitably gains steam, but a new name won't drastically alter how we're viewed

2018-10-03 17:19:09 UTC  

I don't mind using the Civnats as a PR shield. Plausible deniability can be a good thing.

2018-10-03 17:19:31 UTC  

@John Riggs I agree with this

2018-10-03 17:19:37 UTC  

Some like to claim that Mexico is part of North America. Personally, I can't help but perceive it as an ethnocultural boundary, rather than a geographical one. Technically, the Americas are all one continent anyway, so it's otherwise ultimately arbitrary...

2018-10-03 17:19:52 UTC  

GI is like half civnats half our guys

2018-10-03 17:19:55 UTC  

@TMatthews It absolutely will. The ADL can call us whatever they like, but unless they have some manner of evidence, their claims fall short. Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie.

2018-10-03 17:19:58 UTC  

@Deleted User I understand, and see your points 👍

2018-10-03 17:20:04 UTC  

Oh, sorry. I'm still in the bastardized Spanish convo 😂

2018-10-03 17:20:22 UTC  

Identity America or something similar isn't really a *bad* name, but it definitely doesn't have the same appeal

2018-10-03 17:20:52 UTC  

I've tossed out "American Identity Movement"

2018-10-03 17:20:53 UTC  

I just want White Americans to wake up and have a home for themselves, nothing else matters to me at this point except to get a home for us, safely, effectively, and efficiently

2018-10-03 17:20:58 UTC  

@John Riggs Problem is when it becomes so deniable that our guys don't even apply

2018-10-03 17:20:59 UTC  

Donth thpeak that bathterdithed thpanith. Thpeak cathtilliano

2018-10-03 17:21:00 UTC  

Lots of good suggestions out there

2018-10-03 17:21:52 UTC  

@Deleted User We're part of a group exclusively for non-Semitic whites. That alone is enough to earn us the "neo-nazi" label in the eyes of most people. Unless you change fundamental policy/ideology, I don't think the name change does much, and the kinds of changes that would require are very much in the civnat direction unfortunately

2018-10-03 17:22:57 UTC  

It's a fine line but shouldn't be impossible to dog whistle to our guys while still remaining 'family friendly' to the general public

2018-10-03 17:23:04 UTC  

>Semitic Whites... 😏

2018-10-03 17:23:09 UTC  

To be entirely honest, I think taking a more populist or American Nationalist rhetoric would yield far more results. Rebranding and aligning ourselves with the Tucker Carlsons and the Anne Coulters will immediately get us more air time and relatively more positive media coverage. I think We would also increase our base significantly. Giving these Trump movement types who are really too edgy for Republicans but not wignats a home gives us places to grow and mold a movement. In all honesty and I mean this with great respect, I'm not sure how much passion such an academic term and concept like Identitarian means to a patriotic right wing American with tangible problems we can help Solve. We can be Identitarians and care about identity, but creating a movement based on identity doesn't do as much as acting on it. The Trump Movement is a pretty untapped grassroots resource we could tap into hard with a solid rebrand and slight transition of rhetoric.

2018-10-03 17:23:51 UTC  

A change to American Identity Movement or something like that wouldn't be a big deal either way, I think, so long as we can maintain a unique brand (identitarianism)

2018-10-03 17:24:57 UTC  

Not saying I want a rebrand of any sorts... but if we ever do rebrand, I'd hope our vetting process is still top notch.

2018-10-03 17:24:58 UTC  

@Kingfish Yeah, but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that Queen Ann and Tucker are, at least in part, lagging indicators of the headway that we make, so long as we don't screw up.

2018-10-03 17:25:44 UTC  

@Kingfish When does that "slight transition of rhetoric" land us as full on civnats 10 years down the line though?

2018-10-03 17:26:36 UTC  

Also we should just move the overton window far enough where **WE** are the only sensible option, not the other way around

2018-10-03 17:26:51 UTC  

We don't have to be Identitarian spergs, but if we lose our vision and mission (ever so slowly), what was the point?

2018-10-03 17:27:05 UTC  

I don't think we'd lose anything.

2018-10-03 17:27:11 UTC  

The slippery slope is real for all things.