Message from TMatthews in Nice Respectable People Group #general
"Western Identity" I think has all the right notes.
English is a fallen language we should all speak latin
To be honest, I don't think I'd be here today if I saw a poster for a group that came off as civnat
@Kingfish Plenty of sand people already speak German and French. 😢
It is American but implicit white, and european
@MrDefault The non-whites would just switch to Latin to leach off us again.
@Asatru Artist - MD I agree but I wouldn't be so quick to derisively refer to it as an invading language
Of foreign people.
didn't know border jumper would trigger people 😂
What if we rebranded to Identity Europa and drop the V
@Deleted User Based on the statements above: Patrick has been doing very well with giving us a better name, he's been getting all sorts of interviews on youtube with various significant figures, with similar, non-larpy views. We even got Jared to still advocate for us, despite the recent history with previous leadership.... though the history is there, I would argue that the baggage of the previous mistakes have lightened up, at least a little up for sure. My concern is if any of the previous baggage would come up to bite us way later down the road, though
Is that a serious suggestion?
Sorry pal I'm very thin skinned <:really:453005408064241674>
still has the baggage ^ (mr default)
@Jacob We' d be reclaiming the american name and culture from the civnats
"Society of Friends"
@The Eternal Anglo baggage certainly could, but it would be harder - again just one of many, many reasons to make a new org.
We don't have enough influence to reclaim anything right now
We need to reclaim influence first
@Deleted User I get what you're saying, but no matter what we call ourselves we'll be labeled supremacists by the ADL/SPLC. There is no way to be part of any pro-white organization without the risk of losing friends, family, career, etc. Hopefully that changes at some point, and I think it will as white identity politics inevitably gains steam, but a new name won't drastically alter how we're viewed
I don't mind using the Civnats as a PR shield. Plausible deniability can be a good thing.
Some like to claim that Mexico is part of North America. Personally, I can't help but perceive it as an ethnocultural boundary, rather than a geographical one. Technically, the Americas are all one continent anyway, so it's otherwise ultimately arbitrary...
GI is like half civnats half our guys
@TMatthews It absolutely will. The ADL can call us whatever they like, but unless they have some manner of evidence, their claims fall short. Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie.
Oh, sorry. I'm still in the bastardized Spanish convo 😂
Identity America or something similar isn't really a *bad* name, but it definitely doesn't have the same appeal
I've tossed out "American Identity Movement"
I just want White Americans to wake up and have a home for themselves, nothing else matters to me at this point except to get a home for us, safely, effectively, and efficiently
@John Riggs Problem is when it becomes so deniable that our guys don't even apply
Donth thpeak that bathterdithed thpanith. Thpeak cathtilliano
Lots of good suggestions out there
@Deleted User We're part of a group exclusively for non-Semitic whites. That alone is enough to earn us the "neo-nazi" label in the eyes of most people. Unless you change fundamental policy/ideology, I don't think the name change does much, and the kinds of changes that would require are very much in the civnat direction unfortunately
It's a fine line but shouldn't be impossible to dog whistle to our guys while still remaining 'family friendly' to the general public
>Semitic Whites... 😏
To be entirely honest, I think taking a more populist or American Nationalist rhetoric would yield far more results. Rebranding and aligning ourselves with the Tucker Carlsons and the Anne Coulters will immediately get us more air time and relatively more positive media coverage. I think We would also increase our base significantly. Giving these Trump movement types who are really too edgy for Republicans but not wignats a home gives us places to grow and mold a movement. In all honesty and I mean this with great respect, I'm not sure how much passion such an academic term and concept like Identitarian means to a patriotic right wing American with tangible problems we can help Solve. We can be Identitarians and care about identity, but creating a movement based on identity doesn't do as much as acting on it. The Trump Movement is a pretty untapped grassroots resource we could tap into hard with a solid rebrand and slight transition of rhetoric.
A change to American Identity Movement or something like that wouldn't be a big deal either way, I think, so long as we can maintain a unique brand (identitarianism)
Not saying I want a rebrand of any sorts... but if we ever do rebrand, I'd hope our vetting process is still top notch.