Tucker is able to talk about race as much as he does specifically by framing it as "the left is obsessed with race and we should all just be individuals"
As a group built around a collective identity, we can't do that without giving up the essence of what we stand for

Daaang... Random aside, but check out GI, uppin' their flyer game... (Translation: "This is Christoph Heusgen, 'your' traitor at the UN. In 'your name,' he will sign the 'Migration Pact' on 12/11. That means the following: Opening for ...244 million migrants, free entry into the social [security] system for migrants, sanctions for 'intolerant' critics,' etc., etc.")

@TMatthews Again, you're very hung up on "the media" and "labeling" - Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie - why make their job easy? Trump has been defamed as a "Fascist" a "Nazi" and God knows what else. Why does that claim not stick with him? Because they have no evidence (also he's not). Seeing that we too are neither of these things, it's not unreasonable to think that we have a chance at a more charitable reception, if not with the media, then the American public.

And again, for the fifth or sixth time, the way we are labeled by the media ranks pretty low on a reason for a rebrand, but it's still a net benefit in my mind.

@TMatthews We wouldn't change our idealogy, just our aesthetics so we can distance ourselves from mistakes made in the past.

I'm in no way saying we drop our mission. I'm Saying americans don't want to be preached about the meta political concept of Collective identity. But they want to hear "OUT OUT OUT" and "BUILD THE WALL". They want hard rhetoric that is explicitly Nationalist and *implicitly* Identitarian.

@Asatru Artist - MD with proper vetting, we'd still ensure the people being accepted are pro-white

The left completely seized our institutions by the implementation of leftist theory. Did they tell us this? No. They said "peace and love" all the way to the bank.

@Deleted User It's not just the media. Try explaining why we don't allow Jews to the ordinary conservative who hates "the fake news MSM" and they won't be convinced. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that so long as we remain a white gentile exclusive organization they will have evidence enough to justify their definitions

Honestly, American identity never really appealed to me growing up. By the time I was born, this country was already subverted and I was taught that America = diversity. I know that that isn't true, but it was hard to get that image out of my mind. I just don't feel any sentimental attachment to the flag and that kind of stuff. I don't mean to offend anyone who does have that, but it's just not something I could develop after going to a minority white high school and being taught for 13 years that the flag symbolizes diversity. I'm sure a lot of younger guys could relate to what I'm saying.

I was excited when I found posters for this group 2 years ago because it was finally something about *European*-American identity. It was such a relief.

As someone Deeply attached to my Italian heritage as well, I can agree. But I think the unfortunate truth is that it's simply not how most Americans think

I think we can still promote an explicit bond between Euro-Americans, if we word it properly. I don't think anyone really wants to be in heterogenous social circles, they just know they aren't allowed admit it.

@Asatru Artist - MD Slippery slope fallacy, it would be aesthetic, not ideaological. By the same logic you could say, not embracing a swastika logo will make us civnats 15 years down the line

@Nemets Curious. I'll have to check it out.

Let's redirect their feelings in our direction rather than trying to completely change them.

you guys have me designing logos now instead of doing my job 😑

Lol

That *is* your job, White man... 😎

@Kingfish This tbh when I end up having to explain to a security guard what IE is I dont really use the term Identarian I always refer to it as Pro-American/ Patriotic group and they understand that and support it at that level.

@Jacob Same reason I joined... an organisation where other White Americans knew their roots

@TMatthews Pretty easy to explain "We are an organization for Americans as defined by the great men who founded this nation, there are many organizations that myself as a white Christian gentile would be prohibited from joining, so it makes perfect sense that such an organization exists exclusively for us."

Easy as

I'm more than willing to help other Whites get connected to their roots. It's hard to deny someone their culture

@Jacob Same. America isn't a nation anymore. It's an economic zone and the only thing binding us together is a vast bureaucracy. I wish that wasn't the case. I don't expect the US to survive the century intact and if it does, we end up in a South Africa situation. I feel a strong connection to the land where my ancestors have lived since the 1600s, but the institutions have pretty all been subverted

Generally the people on a completely basic level want three things. Safety, money, and as little change as possible. Appealing to their safety, the economic consequences, and radical changes that are being forced upon Them is what will stir them Into action.

@Virgil Is slippery slope really a fallacy though? Accepting gays -> to gay marriage -> accepting trannies -> men in womens bathrooms -> tranny children and now the next step seems to be acceptance of pedos (*rebranded* as minor attracted persons)

@Deleted User That's the exact explanation I'd use, but I simply don't think it would be enough. Just think about how conservatives support Zionism but think "anyone should be able to become American if they share our values"

@TMatthews It wasn't always like that, for 99% of our history we were an extension of Europe and a European people. Just like the Germans, Italians or Poles. The whole reason why IE exists is so that we can reclaim our birthright and our nation.

We could frame it as: "Promoting policies that favor a more homogeneous America akin to Japan"

Making an emergency retreat for an outlet to Continue this convo brb

i always say IE is an American heritage organization like Descendants of the Mayflower or Sons of the American Revolution

@Virgil Barring mass deportation though, it's not going back. We can't even get politicians to stop immigration and even if we did tomorrow we'd still become a minority

@TMatthews OK, what does that show? - that our views are natural and a complete system, more or less - to be a Establishment Conservative is to deeply embrace hypocritical positions on a daily basis.

They might have the airwaves now, but they didn't always, and won't in the future - if the rising nationalist sentiment here and abroad is anything to show for.

@Asatru Artist - MD Right but that can work both ways, if embracing a more marketable name is cucking than using slippery slope logic in reverse, one could say that having s swastika logo would make us idealogically pure and uncucked

Swastika =/= race though. It's is a symbol of power.

IMO, getting attached at the hip too much to the Trumpian movement could put us in for a wild ride. If we have to be Trump apologists at retcon stuff like TPUSA it may very well get us in a different manner of guilt by association. I like Trump as much as the next Identitarian, but I do not trust him enough to tie ourselves too close to the Trumpian phenomenon.

Trump is absolutely not someone we should be tied to

Trump is but temporary, our people's existence should be forever, if we can help it

@Deleted User I certainly hope you're right. It just seems a shame to me for us to throw away the whole brand because of one stupid interview by a guy who's no longer in the organization. Maybe my perspective is different because I played close attention to what Patrick did to distance IE from that before I joined

Instead we are gonna grab the normie by the optics

@TMatthews Non-whites have always existed in America but they were seperate. Until the very late 20th century. They weren't considered part of our nation just a foreign people occupying our land.

as someone who was 100% on the Trump Train in 2015/16, i agree @Jacob