>Semitic Whites... 😏

To be entirely honest, I think taking a more populist or American Nationalist rhetoric would yield far more results. Rebranding and aligning ourselves with the Tucker Carlsons and the Anne Coulters will immediately get us more air time and relatively more positive media coverage. I think We would also increase our base significantly. Giving these Trump movement types who are really too edgy for Republicans but not wignats a home gives us places to grow and mold a movement. In all honesty and I mean this with great respect, I'm not sure how much passion such an academic term and concept like Identitarian means to a patriotic right wing American with tangible problems we can help Solve. We can be Identitarians and care about identity, but creating a movement based on identity doesn't do as much as acting on it. The Trump Movement is a pretty untapped grassroots resource we could tap into hard with a solid rebrand and slight transition of rhetoric.

A change to American Identity Movement or something like that wouldn't be a big deal either way, I think, so long as we can maintain a unique brand (identitarianism)

Not saying I want a rebrand of any sorts... but if we ever do rebrand, I'd hope our vetting process is still top notch.

@Kingfish Yeah, but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that Queen Ann and Tucker are, at least in part, lagging indicators of the headway that we make, so long as we don't screw up.

@Kingfish When does that "slight transition of rhetoric" land us as full on civnats 10 years down the line though?

Also we should just move the overton window far enough where **WE** are the only sensible option, not the other way around

We don't have to be Identitarian spergs, but if we lose our vision and mission (ever so slowly), what was the point?

I don't think we'd lose anything.

The slippery slope is real for all things.

Tucker is able to talk about race as much as he does specifically by framing it as "the left is obsessed with race and we should all just be individuals"
As a group built around a collective identity, we can't do that without giving up the essence of what we stand for

Daaang... Random aside, but check out GI, uppin' their flyer game... (Translation: "This is Christoph Heusgen, 'your' traitor at the UN. In 'your name,' he will sign the 'Migration Pact' on 12/11. That means the following: Opening for ...244 million migrants, free entry into the social [security] system for migrants, sanctions for 'intolerant' critics,' etc., etc.")

@TMatthews Again, you're very hung up on "the media" and "labeling" - Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie - why make their job easy? Trump has been defamed as a "Fascist" a "Nazi" and God knows what else. Why does that claim not stick with him? Because they have no evidence (also he's not). Seeing that we too are neither of these things, it's not unreasonable to think that we have a chance at a more charitable reception, if not with the media, then the American public.

And again, for the fifth or sixth time, the way we are labeled by the media ranks pretty low on a reason for a rebrand, but it's still a net benefit in my mind.

@TMatthews We wouldn't change our idealogy, just our aesthetics so we can distance ourselves from mistakes made in the past.

I'm in no way saying we drop our mission. I'm Saying americans don't want to be preached about the meta political concept of Collective identity. But they want to hear "OUT OUT OUT" and "BUILD THE WALL". They want hard rhetoric that is explicitly Nationalist and *implicitly* Identitarian.

@Asatru Artist - MD with proper vetting, we'd still ensure the people being accepted are pro-white

The left completely seized our institutions by the implementation of leftist theory. Did they tell us this? No. They said "peace and love" all the way to the bank.

@Deleted User It's not just the media. Try explaining why we don't allow Jews to the ordinary conservative who hates "the fake news MSM" and they won't be convinced. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that so long as we remain a white gentile exclusive organization they will have evidence enough to justify their definitions

Honestly, American identity never really appealed to me growing up. By the time I was born, this country was already subverted and I was taught that America = diversity. I know that that isn't true, but it was hard to get that image out of my mind. I just don't feel any sentimental attachment to the flag and that kind of stuff. I don't mean to offend anyone who does have that, but it's just not something I could develop after going to a minority white high school and being taught for 13 years that the flag symbolizes diversity. I'm sure a lot of younger guys could relate to what I'm saying.

I was excited when I found posters for this group 2 years ago because it was finally something about *European*-American identity. It was such a relief.

As someone Deeply attached to my Italian heritage as well, I can agree. But I think the unfortunate truth is that it's simply not how most Americans think

I think we can still promote an explicit bond between Euro-Americans, if we word it properly. I don't think anyone really wants to be in heterogenous social circles, they just know they aren't allowed admit it.

@Asatru Artist - MD Slippery slope fallacy, it would be aesthetic, not ideaological. By the same logic you could say, not embracing a swastika logo will make us civnats 15 years down the line

@Nemets Curious. I'll have to check it out.

Let's redirect their feelings in our direction rather than trying to completely change them.

you guys have me designing logos now instead of doing my job 😑

Lol

That *is* your job, White man... 😎

@Kingfish This tbh when I end up having to explain to a security guard what IE is I dont really use the term Identarian I always refer to it as Pro-American/ Patriotic group and they understand that and support it at that level.

@Jacob Same reason I joined... an organisation where other White Americans knew their roots

@TMatthews Pretty easy to explain "We are an organization for Americans as defined by the great men who founded this nation, there are many organizations that myself as a white Christian gentile would be prohibited from joining, so it makes perfect sense that such an organization exists exclusively for us."

Easy as

I'm more than willing to help other Whites get connected to their roots. It's hard to deny someone their culture

@Jacob Same. America isn't a nation anymore. It's an economic zone and the only thing binding us together is a vast bureaucracy. I wish that wasn't the case. I don't expect the US to survive the century intact and if it does, we end up in a South Africa situation. I feel a strong connection to the land where my ancestors have lived since the 1600s, but the institutions have pretty all been subverted

Generally the people on a completely basic level want three things. Safety, money, and as little change as possible. Appealing to their safety, the economic consequences, and radical changes that are being forced upon Them is what will stir them Into action.

@Virgil Is slippery slope really a fallacy though? Accepting gays -> to gay marriage -> accepting trannies -> men in womens bathrooms -> tranny children and now the next step seems to be acceptance of pedos (*rebranded* as minor attracted persons)

@Deleted User That's the exact explanation I'd use, but I simply don't think it would be enough. Just think about how conservatives support Zionism but think "anyone should be able to become American if they share our values"

@TMatthews It wasn't always like that, for 99% of our history we were an extension of Europe and a European people. Just like the Germans, Italians or Poles. The whole reason why IE exists is so that we can reclaim our birthright and our nation.

We could frame it as: "Promoting policies that favor a more homogeneous America akin to Japan"

Making an emergency retreat for an outlet to Continue this convo brb

i always say IE is an American heritage organization like Descendants of the Mayflower or Sons of the American Revolution

@Virgil Barring mass deportation though, it's not going back. We can't even get politicians to stop immigration and even if we did tomorrow we'd still become a minority