Message from @Kingfish

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2018-10-03 17:39:52 UTC  

i always say IE is an American heritage organization like Descendants of the Mayflower or Sons of the American Revolution

2018-10-03 17:40:01 UTC  

@Virgil Barring mass deportation though, it's not going back. We can't even get politicians to stop immigration and even if we did tomorrow we'd still become a minority

2018-10-03 17:40:28 UTC  

@TMatthews OK, what does that show? - that our views are natural and a complete system, more or less - to be a Establishment Conservative is to deeply embrace hypocritical positions on a daily basis.

They might have the airwaves now, but they didn't always, and won't in the future - if the rising nationalist sentiment here and abroad is anything to show for.

2018-10-03 17:40:38 UTC  

@Asatru Artist - MD Right but that can work both ways, if embracing a more marketable name is cucking than using slippery slope logic in reverse, one could say that having s swastika logo would make us idealogically pure and uncucked

2018-10-03 17:41:23 UTC  

Swastika =/= race though. It's is a symbol of power.

2018-10-03 17:41:27 UTC  

IMO, getting attached at the hip too much to the Trumpian movement could put us in for a wild ride. If we have to be Trump apologists at retcon stuff like TPUSA it may very well get us in a different manner of guilt by association. I like Trump as much as the next Identitarian, but I do not trust him enough to tie ourselves too close to the Trumpian phenomenon.

2018-10-03 17:41:55 UTC  

Trump is absolutely not someone we should be tied to

2018-10-03 17:42:13 UTC  

Trump is but temporary, our people's existence should be forever, if we can help it

2018-10-03 17:42:24 UTC  

@Deleted User I certainly hope you're right. It just seems a shame to me for us to throw away the whole brand because of one stupid interview by a guy who's no longer in the organization. Maybe my perspective is different because I played close attention to what Patrick did to distance IE from that before I joined

2018-10-03 17:42:28 UTC  

Instead we are gonna grab the normie by the optics

2018-10-03 17:42:30 UTC  

@TMatthews Non-whites have always existed in America but they were seperate. Until the very late 20th century. They weren't considered part of our nation just a foreign people occupying our land.

2018-10-03 17:42:33 UTC  

as someone who was 100% on the Trump Train in 2015/16, i agree @Jacob

2018-10-03 17:42:42 UTC  
2018-10-03 17:42:49 UTC  

Aptly put.

2018-10-03 17:43:06 UTC  

We shouldn't be tied to him no. But his base and his movement which his campaign created is an untapped resource.

2018-10-03 17:43:36 UTC  

We don't have to rebrand to tap into the source, though, (imo)

2018-10-03 17:43:45 UTC  

I'm sorry, but, in a lot of people's minds, Trump just comes off as dumb, it's not entirely unreasonable. There's a lot of friends who actually seen to understand my anti immigration arguments, but nothing I say will make them like Trump.

2018-10-03 17:43:47 UTC  

@Virgil I don't disagree, but this foreign people used to be 12% of the population, not almost 40% and climbing

2018-10-03 17:44:10 UTC  

I don't disagree. I don't personally think he's brilliant either.

2018-10-03 17:44:47 UTC  

Im saying the people like tucker Carlson and anne Coulter have become very intelligent and well spoken people who align with the America first agenda

2018-10-03 17:44:57 UTC  

And these are powerful allies as are their viewers and fans.

2018-10-03 17:45:05 UTC  

And right now I don't think we can court them.

2018-10-03 17:45:42 UTC  

Likewise Ann Coulter is great, but she went so far hard on the Pro-Trump bit that she has to kind of ride the tiger so to speak. The Trump forever people are all boomers. While I would not mind them cutting some checks for us, they are not gonna be central to our message.

2018-10-03 17:46:21 UTC  

We have enough people and agency to be our own thing. Not ride the coattails of another.

2018-10-03 17:46:23 UTC  

Trump needs to pull all the strings to have a chance at helping our cause, which he hasn't done in 2 years. He's going to lose the house and might lose reelection in 2020. Not looking good. Democrats won the 2016 popular vote by 3 million votes, we just squeaked through the electoral college. The Dems dominate the normies. Texas is expected to go blue by 2024. The Republican party will likely return to a "win over the Hispanics" party soon after Trump leaves office.

2018-10-03 17:46:30 UTC  

Blue Triangle gang gang forever.

2018-10-03 17:46:45 UTC  

@TMatthews Doesn't really matter if they're 12 or 40 percent. The core genetic stock if the American people still exists regardless. Should Greeks have given up on Greece because it was occupied by Turks. Should the Castillians have given up on Spain because of the moorish demographics?

2018-10-03 17:47:18 UTC  

I don't necessarily agree we have the people or the power to stand alone right now.

2018-10-03 17:47:20 UTC  

Frankly.

2018-10-03 17:48:04 UTC  

We're still Fledgling and we have baggage. Pair that with a rather obscure academic concept and it loses interest

2018-10-03 17:48:16 UTC  

I agree that our message and methods aren't specifically pro-Trumpians... but we never even tried to target them, either.

2018-10-03 17:48:54 UTC  

Our demographic are the Whites who can help fight for our future, not saturday night beer drinkers while they watch football

2018-10-03 17:49:30 UTC  

Do we have any musicians in IE? I have an idea to suggest if so.

2018-10-03 17:50:21 UTC  

@Kingfish no offense of course

2018-10-03 17:50:22 UTC  

those are literally the same people

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/497103131256291328/unknown.png

2018-10-03 17:50:33 UTC  

Tucker Carlson is great. He has a different target audience, though. His whole routine is about appealing to boomers and nudging them towards us.

I do support co-opting civic nationalism, but we need to have groups ready for people who've decided they want to go beyond that.

What James Allsup does is really great with his appeal to American nationalism, but we need variety. We can't have *just* James Allsups. We need Jared Taylors, we need Red Ices, etc. We need to have a whole system going Diversity of skills and methods is our strength.

2018-10-03 17:50:33 UTC  

@John Riggs Is it Identitarian boy bands?

2018-10-03 17:51:33 UTC  

@Virgil The Greeks actually did give up Ionia and agreed to population transfers. As for Spain, it took centuries of war to expel the Moors, and they were primarily just a ruling elite that was small in number.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that America is headed towards civil war, but I sure am not looking forward to it or advocating it. At the end of the day, those aren't good optics comparisons

2018-10-03 17:51:54 UTC  

Check this shit out. Boomers lol.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/497103519028084746/150895.png

2018-10-03 17:52:00 UTC  

rise and shine evro-peans

2018-10-03 17:52:05 UTC  

I tried to get a couple of our AZ guys to do that. We failed to get it off the ground