Doing explicitly Nationalist action yields implicit Identitarian results.

@Jacob Agreed. The issue isn't how the left sees us, it's how the average white sees us.

We should never leave resources behind, but we shouldn't become civnats to speak to them

When the Left tries to brand some huge TPUSA conference in FL as "The largest gathering of White Nationalists" or something like that. They kind of have a point, because that thing was 95% White and they were all Nationalists.

@Deleted User Eh, civnats are like 20% of the way there. Some of them honestly do a lot more harm than good.

I agree we should never be civ Nats. We should absolutely tap into their supporters, their money, their influence, and their infrastructure however.

Civnats are also tied at the hip to Trump to the point of being unable to objectively analyze or criticize anything he does. Going to all in on MAGA imagery could push away the Bernie bros who deep down know the left doesn't want them around

@Kingfish Right, do we agree on that

Our continued existence gives meaning to the world. Imagine a planet filled with just NPCs. Losing the spark of Western Civilization would be the greatest shame in the universe.

@Sam Anderson But the thing is, when the average White sees that coupled with the optics of the group, they don't buy it and their mistrust of such sources grows.

Making fun of these people is great. But why not assimilate all of their progress on the political field?

@Virgil I'm not saying we should pursue idealogical purity

We can do far more then own the civnats online. We can completely dominate their institutions and movement with our own while maintaining our ideological core. It will require concessions to do however. @Jacob

We must remember that we are the culmination of thousands of years of European progress, we want to preserve that. I'm personally not *all* against a rebrand, but we can very well save the name and logo we already have, Patrick is doing wonders for just that. It's not a puritan issue, it's a social capital issue

@Kingfish Right. But should we be joining their groups while having our own, or should we turn our group into theirs?

Media, flyers, interviews, posters, and banner drops all can do well in tapping the Trumpian attitude

@Jacob Join and guide them in our direction.

Unpopular opinion: We need to win over as many minds as possible, of all races. Identitarian is "pro" not "anti".

At some point, you're not nudging civnats forward, you're just reinforcing them

There's a middle ground though.

I'm not saying we do either

Im saying we softly dip in not go head first

We have to try different things in little doses to see what yields results.

Maybe we should wait until the Today show interview of Patrick comes out before we all have a spontaneous panic about scrapping everything?

There's a Today Show interview?

Everyone ready for the POTUS text?

@Kingfish Provide an atmosphere where our people's survival instincts can be allowed to flourish. Just kicking them for being "cucks" will only drive them away.

This is what I'm proposing: keep doing what we've been doing, maybe rebrand to get away from Charlottesville and Eli and the like, and start having guys run for PCO positions and join College Republicans and all that.

@Eugene of Savoy I can agree to that. I think we should accept, Africans right to maintain a supermajority in Africa, ditto for every other group. We shouldn't exclude non-whites from the broader Identitarian scene. But they shouldn't be members of European and American Identitarian organizations.

Who's panicking this has been a very long standing conversation

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN The interview is old, we won't learn anything new

Seemed to come out of nowhere today.

@Kingfish Yeah heard you the first time

Virgil the problem is they don't want Africa, they want what we've got.

Eh, it's been kicked around for a while now.

Sorry my internet is terrible so if it sends multiple times I'll delete them if mods don't get there first.

@Goldstein Riots exactly. We need to promote an atmosphere that these people can slowly drift on their own for their own reasons.

Just got my trump text.

I was hoping there would be a redpill in the Trump text...

Who here /presidential alert/?

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