Message from @Goldstein Riots

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2018-10-03 17:58:08 UTC  

Yeah we can combine the unapologetic attitude with a more America first directed rhetoric

2018-10-03 17:58:10 UTC  

refuse to accept the framing, be offensive not defensive

2018-10-03 17:58:33 UTC  

Because frankly we're trying to normalize a concept more radical than simply America first, when America first hasn't even been Normalized

2018-10-03 17:59:20 UTC  

Implicitly pushing stuff works best when there's something to be pushed towards. Setting up front groups could be a good idea. Literal communists do it all the time, and they're doing great in the culture war.

2018-10-03 17:59:32 UTC  

Our name and logo are not gone in the slightest, in my opinion

2018-10-03 17:59:50 UTC  

Smaller front groups would be great, thought of that earlier

2018-10-03 18:00:10 UTC  

@Jacob When we have tons of Jewish money to waste on expendable people let me know

2018-10-03 18:00:16 UTC  

The key for me is to simply focus on saying "the left is anti-white" and "nonwhites will always practice identity politics"
Once the normie accepts those, you can make the case for why white identity politics is inevitable and necessary

2018-10-03 18:00:52 UTC  

@Jacob this is what I mean. We make far more progress entering already established groups or groups with different ideas and shifting them to us. We need to direct already established infrastructure and influence not try to start with nothing I agree with you 100% this is why every member should be in every political group or cultural group they can be in.

2018-10-03 18:01:08 UTC  

<:chad:359013583469805568> Chad dad Allsup firin' another shot across Lil' Ben's bow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfnAMMpW_o?vq=hd1080

2018-10-03 18:01:11 UTC  

@Sam Anderson Ever heard of thing thing called a "bizness" - I think that's how you spell it, pretty new concept.

2018-10-03 18:01:27 UTC  

@Deleted User Late to the party perhaps, but I endorse a rebranding for all of the reasons you listed. But also, as we've both been in here for quite some time, I think we can agree that this isn't the same org that it was at the beginning. The political environment is different from then and the level of professionalism that we show is much greater. We have jettisoned everything else that didn't\stopped working, I feel as if we should move into the future with an identity that matches the times and where we want to be.

2018-10-03 18:01:27 UTC  

Let me check what my major is again hol up

2018-10-03 18:01:40 UTC  

I've been a college republican for 4 weeks and have already rubbed elbows with notable people who agree with us to a degree as well as individuals who could be convinced with the right rhetoric.

2018-10-03 18:02:48 UTC  

@Sam Anderson You don't need a billion dollars to subvert a College Republicans chapter

2018-10-03 18:02:55 UTC  

^

2018-10-03 18:03:05 UTC  

It's way easier than I expected tbh

2018-10-03 18:04:04 UTC  

Don't think of it as subverting. We are a growing faction within the Republican Party. We belong there, and our ideas are slowly getting more and more mainstream

2018-10-03 18:05:12 UTC  

Changing the Republican party from the inside is our best bet of getting White identity politics into the WH

2018-10-03 18:05:25 UTC  

@Goldstein Riots Tom is right. Too many people in here want to be ideologues, rather than win. We need to be pragmatic, realistic and forward looking - obviously we can't abandon our core values, ever, either - but appealing to powerful factions is the way forward.

Ideologues never win.

2018-10-03 18:05:44 UTC  

@TMatthews our ideas are mainstream, but most white people know they will get fired and ostracized for them.

2018-10-03 18:05:46 UTC  

It will be way easier to become a respected and powerful faction of the party using America first rhetoric than obscure meta political concepts

2018-10-03 18:06:11 UTC  

@Kingfish Are you saying reading Neitszche obsessively is not gonna win?

2018-10-03 18:06:15 UTC  

The GOP didn't really oppose affirmative action until after Duke nearly won the Louisiana senate seat and they co-opted that idea. Not a fan of his really, but the party can be made to change to suit its base

2018-10-03 18:06:31 UTC  

@Sam Anderson will to power bro!

2018-10-03 18:06:40 UTC  

IN A SENSE EHE

2018-10-03 18:06:57 UTC  

Civnats for instance, they get alot of hate but they are halfway there and LITERALLY WANT TO CONSTRUCT A 30 FOOT WALL ON THE MEXICAN BORDER AND PHYSICALLY ROUND UP AND DEPORT 12 MILLION MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Like come on, that's a pretty good starting point.

2018-10-03 18:07:10 UTC  

Why should we NOT court these people

2018-10-03 18:07:27 UTC  

They also have funding, infrastructure, and influence

2018-10-03 18:07:27 UTC  

I don't necessarily mind a rebrand, just please don't turn this into a civnat group. If we're going to rebrand, it should be to get away from Charlottesville and Eli and maybe make the name more intuitive, but not to make us look like civnats.

I support taking over other groups and having people like James appeal to civic nationalism, but we absolutely need to have explicit groups.

2018-10-03 18:07:44 UTC  

We're gonna leave these resources by the wayside for ideological purity?

2018-10-03 18:07:52 UTC  

Some of these boomers will get really FEDposty if given the chance. It channels their Bush era war mongering motives.

2018-10-03 18:08:13 UTC  

We should court civnats, but we can't become them. That means convincing them that race matters

2018-10-03 18:08:21 UTC  

Doing explicitly Nationalist action yields implicit Identitarian results.

2018-10-03 18:08:53 UTC  

@Jacob Agreed. The issue isn't how the left sees us, it's how the average white sees us.

2018-10-03 18:08:59 UTC  

We should never leave resources behind, but we shouldn't become civnats to speak to them

2018-10-03 18:09:33 UTC  

When the Left tries to brand some huge TPUSA conference in FL as "The largest gathering of White Nationalists" or something like that. They kind of have a point, because that thing was 95% White and they were all Nationalists.

2018-10-03 18:09:48 UTC  

@Deleted User Eh, civnats are like 20% of the way there. Some of them honestly do a lot more harm than good.

2018-10-03 18:10:15 UTC  

I agree we should never be civ Nats. We should absolutely tap into their supporters, their money, their influence, and their infrastructure however.

2018-10-03 18:10:29 UTC  

Civnats are also tied at the hip to Trump to the point of being unable to objectively analyze or criticize anything he does. Going to all in on MAGA imagery could push away the Bernie bros who deep down know the left doesn't want them around

2018-10-03 18:10:31 UTC  

@Kingfish Right, do we agree on that