but it's not like he had any intention of ending the war when he could have in the spring and summer of 1940

And the Invasion was taking to much

can I have the TL : DR version please 😛

@TwinVickers I don't claim to have some deep personal insight into Stalin's mind, this is not hidden knowledge, it's all out there

Churchill had no power in 1940. He was part of the War Cabinet, mostly to shut him up.

Well until May

He was made PM on May 10th

But war was already underway

Both himself and the ministers before him had ample chances to not only end the war but find a settlement with Poland before it had even started

the conclusion is that WW2 was not some heroic struggle against evil but a tragedy perhaps bigger than WW1 that should've never happened in the first place

and it lead us right where we are today

The only one before him could was Chamberlin, and after making "Deals" with the Rhine, and Czech, Hitler knew he could walk all over him

What's funny is that the British still have that old imperial gleam in their eye

thinking that the empire must be out there, somewhere

it's just been misplaced

And the Germans still desire a Reich

^

Russians are trying to rebuild the Bloc (minus Communism)

Of course they did, and?

Every Nation desires to be back to how they were in their hight

What is your claim of righteousness here when the allies let all of Eastern Europe to the Soviets after 1945

Welcome to humanity

We couldn't take it from them, after all they pushed the Nazies out of it

When Poland didn't even exist in 1940, Britain wargoal was finished

and it had no chance to peace-out with Germany on her terms had it not brought in the United States

It was also part of the agreement to get Soviet Aid in the Pacific Theater

under a president which just so happened to dislike both Germany and the Empire

Eh Multiple Presidents had a hand in that. And you have to thank Japan really

Before Pearl, US wasn't going to go to war

Anyways I've got to get going but at least this talk has been more civilized here than I expected

The US embargoed Japanese oil and intentionally placed its entire pacific fleet on Pearl Harbor

It's not squeaky clean either

nobody was

Yes, but if Japan never took the bait, we wouldn't have gone to war. The People, and Congress were vietnamly against another Euro War

bleh spelling

Even so, Roosevelt kept sending Britain war supplies even before the german declaration of war after Pearl Harbor

Well of course

The UK 'paid' us for them

and the only reason Hitler did do that is so that the Uboats could have engaged American shipping on the Pacific

Lol, the US took the UK to the 'cleaners'

By dropping Colonial Priority trading, and handing us their Military Secrets