ukip becoming a libertarian party isn't going to happen

you can't say for sure

leaders change, the party shifts

look at labour

also the membership has changed

the UK should just be cratered tbh

a lot of what is happening with Ukip reminds me of the history of the Progress party in norway. it did start out as a single issues party and when the founder did leave it, it did start the work to become a general party, that did make a lot of infighting in the party and several high profile people did leave but it did survive ended up growing

too weak to live

I think ukip has many more younger members than before

might as well put it out of its misery

Exactly that's what I'm saying

every single power-player is against Brexit... deadline been amd gone - Brexit is dead in all but name

and I mean I think UKIP does have a long term goal for 2022

@Nordhand isn't that the right wing one that's part of the ruling coalition?

as long as they stay the course, sure they'll hit bumps in the road but they'll get there

not gonna happen

brits care too much about optics

how can you say for sure right now

yea @galesteppes

We'll have to look at the by-election and locals to see whether that's true though

the system is designed by the elite to keep the elite elite.

optics are important

that's why you torch the system

anti-optics people are cucks

optics are all Britain has left

not even

yup I hate how they messed up the the proportional representation debate

I'm not anti-optics

britain is a dying dog waiting to be put out of its misery

I'm just saying optics isn't the be all and end all

or at least the optics defined by the uk media

but that did take ca 25-30 years to build up the party from the single issue to what it is now

everyone except the optics lovers can see the writing on the wall

optics have been replaced by virtue-signalling, which is abominable

I just feel it was a mistake for ukip to focus so much on the eu elections

they should of prioritised the locals

eu presence is a bigger platform than locals

atm EU is a huge issues with the brexit betrayals of may

They want to send a message both the EU and Britain with limited resources - couldn't achieve that with local elections

you're forgetting the brexit party

which will split the vote