Message from @IAmHiding
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SSPX arent sedecavantists iirc though, they just dont believe some popes to be canonized
Like they think pope francis is technically the pope even though they go in direct rejection to the new mass
Right. Which is why I pray our Holy Father will allow it.
There is no reason that they shouldn't both mutually have dialogue.
Both can learn.
Popes have said before that the antendees of the church are catholics through and through its just their church itself they have grave issue with
They dont see it as a valid mass pretty much
The issue is about the original bishops; they are valid but illicit.
Even though it is the mass that was excersized for the entirety of the church before the introduction of novus ordo
They take issue with the bishops made by Lefebvre.
Have you researched the reasoning behind novus ordo
Yeah of course since he was excommunicated lmao
I have researched it, which is the primary reason why I left seminary. I couldn't, in good faith, dedicate myself to that I felt any sort of doubt in. At that time when I was 17, I had doubt. Lefebvre was an excellent bishop, he served long and true. He fell short in the end.
We should pray for him.
The fact that they changed to become more protestant is completely against all the teachings of the church before hand
Who changed?
What church do you attend? Or what kind of church
One that is fully in communion with Rome and the diocese.
I have doubts that the new mass is truly a projection of what christ wanted in the church, while I have my doubts I must still accept the validity of the Church
But it is difficult
Sedecavantism was appealing at first but after researching it isnt a leap i am willing to take or one i believe as true
We all have these doubts, and Summorum Pontificum validates our need for true worship. We need to persevere and bloodlessly martyr ourselves.
Penance is the answer.
Penance must always be the mantle we accept.
Cernovich followed me on twitter, not sure about that
I keep missing Mass , i dont accept communion because of it
I was baptized after birth but because i was atheist and rejected the church for so long do you think it would be good to be baptised again?
I should probably just contact my priest
Cerno gay lol
How did you go from atheist back to Catholic? I grew up Catholic but lost religion by the time i was 13 but now consider myself agnostic
I never considered myself catholic or christian
Even though i was baptised
Well of course until now
I'd like to believe though, actually going to a protestant church with a friend on Sunday
For the past two years
I went to a prot church and while i liked the people they had a band playing and shit
Couldnt bare it
I know the preacher though, very good man
We all need confession. I miss mass too;but we need to recognize this and correct our course. Regarding a second baptism, you were already instilled with the graces given at baptism. No, no "re baptism" is necessary, unless you believe it to be illicit (not in the Trinitarian formula). Go to your priest for confession, no matter what he does during mass, he's able, by the grace of God, to absolve sins.
organ >>> band