@Asatru Artist - MD Problem is, a lot of the time civnats don't want to fix the hole

again. it's not the ideal - its a step in the right direction.

"Big Brain nibbas only" -Civnats

I won't counter signal MAGA. Murdoch is right, MAGA is the sleeping giant.

Dumb but powerful.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN sure. it's up to us to awaken and harness it!

I am looking forward to buying a MAGA hat. Should I get classic red or camo?

Which is better O P T I C S ?

We didn't get in this mess overnight and we won't get out of it overnight. Just as the left didn't go straight from JFK to what it is today, we are going to have to make incremental progress. Getting civnats like Trump in power is a step in the right direction for the first time in many years

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN do they still have vaporwave pink?

red will trigger more people...

@TMatthews Yeah I see eye to eye with you there.

Of course I am from one of two fully red states. And the only hat-shaped one.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN My state flipped the entire election, chud.

The truth is that we do want to MAGA. We just realize exactly what that means

Where you at?

@Deleted User Thank you for your service. Hold the line.

o7

To be honest, no, I don't see it as a massive improvement, because illegals are a very small factor in the equation for when we become a minority. Do I see it as a small improvement? In some cases.

I'd go as far to say that civic nationalism can be a destructive force at times, because it creates a false sense of security. "lol we stopped illegal immigration we can get complacent now while legal immigrants replace us"

I'm not arguing that we should be edgelords and alienate civnats, I'm arguing that we should try to move them to our side rather than just become them.

Amish gang rise up

I love the Amish

I'm a bit biased on this since I've had a lot of bad experiences with civnats, including Proud Boys literally collaborating with Antifa to dox me

@Jacob whoa, that's bonkers!

Ya, I'm not making that up, and I'm willing to elaborate if needed

I believe you.

@Jacob Nobody here is arguing that we should become civnats. If, however, gaining real power and influence within institutions like the GOP requires it, we should pretend to be on an individual level though perhaps

White Taqiyya

You know what I mean.

MAGA in the streets, something else in the sheets

I would rather not become what I despise...

I'm OK with a strategic alliance with civnats for now, but of course don't just capitulate to them, actively try to bring them to our side

@TMatthews A lot of people in this movement do argue that we should promote civic nationalism instead of identitarianism, and just kinda sit around and wait for civic nationalism to win out, and *then* promote identitarianism. We've had former IE members like this.

former...

I don't know, could still be some

I.E. has the hard-earned privilege and responsibility of being the least-weird far-right group

Look, I just think the whole "civnats are 80% there" talk is really dangerous

Based laundry.

@Freiheit - CA Is that a flag, fren?

Yeh

@Jacob STOP BEING AN IDEOLOGUE, bro. **IDEOLOGUES ALWAYS LOSE** <- if you take anything to heart that I say tonight, take that with you.

Ideologues. Always. Lose.

The greatest political thinkers and strategists of all time worked within their political paradigm to achieve actual goals.

MAGA/Civnat is implicitly Identitarian - very obviously so - why else would the globalist elites be so afraid of it.

@Jacob I don't agree with that model. That's part of why I opposed renaming IE something more American in a debate here before. What I mean is more that, for example, I'm an officer in my college republicans and couldn't have gotten there if I revealed my power level