Message from @Wood-Ape - OK/MN

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2018-10-13 04:33:33 UTC  

I.E. has the hard-earned privilege and responsibility of being the least-weird far-right group

2018-10-13 04:33:44 UTC  

Look, I just think the whole "civnats are 80% there" talk is really dangerous

2018-10-13 04:34:00 UTC  

Based laundry.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/500526599003701258/image0.jpg

2018-10-13 04:34:14 UTC  

@Freiheit - CA Is that a flag, fren?

2018-10-13 04:34:21 UTC  

Yeh

2018-10-13 04:34:27 UTC  

@Jacob STOP BEING AN IDEOLOGUE, bro. **IDEOLOGUES ALWAYS LOSE** <- if you take anything to heart that I say tonight, take that with you.

Ideologues. Always. Lose.

The greatest political thinkers and strategists of all time worked within their political paradigm to achieve actual goals.

MAGA/Civnat is implicitly Identitarian - very obviously so - why else would the globalist elites be so afraid of it.

2018-10-13 04:34:33 UTC  

@Jacob I don't agree with that model. That's part of why I opposed renaming IE something more American in a debate here before. What I mean is more that, for example, I'm an officer in my college republicans and couldn't have gotten there if I revealed my power level

2018-10-13 04:35:03 UTC  

We shouldn't get complacent and think that civic nationalism will accomplish absolutely anything. The truth is, they're maybe 20% there at best, and they're destructive at worst. We should appeal to them, pretend to be them at times, but never assume they will accomplish anything alone.

2018-10-13 04:35:18 UTC  

It's up to us to corral and harness that energy into something EXPLICITLY identitarian 10-15 years down the line

2018-10-13 04:35:27 UTC  

@TMatthews Ya I agree that we should hide our power levels at times

2018-10-13 04:35:37 UTC  

@Deleted User You make a valuable point. The radical / 'extreme' leaders of the past harnessed the spirit of their people *at their time*, and then slowly channeled it in directions.

2018-10-13 04:35:46 UTC  

We should still talk to civnats at places like CPAC and push our ideals. We can help them in mainstream politics AND grow identitarianism simultaneously

2018-10-13 04:35:52 UTC  

@Deleted User What do you consider being an ideologue?

2018-10-13 04:36:27 UTC  

@Jacob Civic nationalism, instated TOMORROW. Would result in 11+ MILLION less central americans in our country with the snap of a finger.

2018-10-13 04:36:32 UTC  

and then we press for more.

2018-10-13 04:36:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/500527308323684354/2Q.png

2018-10-13 04:36:57 UTC  

Right, which is why I'd still vote for Trump given the choice

2018-10-13 04:37:15 UTC  

I guess the big issue is the dynamic of negotiation itself. We're told to ask for more than we'll get. We ask for civ nat, get even less. If we ask for identitarianism, could we get civNat?

2018-10-13 04:37:37 UTC  

Friendly reminder that Trump attacked Cruz very successfully in the primaries for expanding H1b. The average Republican wants less legal immigration

2018-10-13 04:37:53 UTC  

The problem is, if we wait until later to press for more, these ideas will just be forgotten by that point. That's why we need to promote more *now*.

2018-10-13 04:38:25 UTC  

It is such a delicate balance. How to open the Window without breaking it open or shutting it

2018-10-13 04:38:35 UTC  

Promoting now lays a groundwork for hopefully going mainstream in the metaphorical tomorrow

2018-10-13 04:39:14 UTC  

When communists were marching through institutions, they still had groups pressing for communism while they were creating front groups

2018-10-13 04:39:29 UTC  

We should have front groups, but we should still be pressing for actual identitarianism

2018-10-13 04:40:05 UTC  

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2018-10-13 04:40:30 UTC  

@Jacob That's another reason a decentralized "broader movement" is good. I.E. is "good cop,"

2018-10-13 04:40:40 UTC  

those completely unwilling to compromise (short term) are those who are completely unwilling to win.

2018-10-13 04:40:59 UTC  

I'm obviously willing to compromise since I'm willing to vote for Republicans and all that. I just don't support the idea of pushing for civic nationalism in place of pushing for identitarianism.

2018-10-13 04:41:02 UTC  

I haven't seen any uncompromising positions here. Just understandable anxiety.

2018-10-13 04:41:42 UTC  

I would say that being uncompromisingly compromising is a little like being an idealogue, too.

2018-10-13 04:41:50 UTC  

I would never say something like "don't vote for this guy he's not radical enough" or whatever

2018-10-13 04:41:58 UTC  

The existence of our people is non-negotiable. Perhaps that makes me an ideologue. I am willing to work with people who don't quite get it though. This is too important to throw away potential allies

2018-10-13 04:41:58 UTC  

Jus' sayin'.

2018-10-13 04:42:36 UTC  

if you think 50% + of all Americans are going to be awoken to, or inspired by some completely obscure ideology coined by some french dude in the 1970's you're insane.

2018-10-13 04:42:56 UTC  

There's no reason to fight over this. You don't NEED to take a hard position until you can DO something with it.

2018-10-13 04:42:58 UTC  

We don't need to convert 50% of Americans, though.

2018-10-13 04:43:28 UTC  

@Deleted User You don't have to call it "identitarianism", you just argue specific positions

2018-10-13 04:43:39 UTC  

If we target political and financial elites, and sway enough of them, we win.

2018-10-13 04:43:54 UTC  

I think a lot of this is out of our hands because the left can't control itself. Even if Soros were by some strange chance to overcome his tribal instincts and realize that the left has pushed too far, his rabid pets wouldn't stand down. The modern left is composed of the ultimate ideologues and they will only double down, thus radicalizing normies. We simply have to be ready to present an attractable alternative to them.

2018-10-13 04:43:59 UTC  

We need power to exploit opportunity. Growing the organization is obviously what we all should focus on

2018-10-13 04:44:16 UTC  

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Mate, nobody is fighting. Rigorous debate is the path to growth so long as it doesn't get personal.