Message from @Wood-Ape - OK/MN
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@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Not to the same extent, but said interests were FAR more prominent than one would initially believe, and it's NEVER talked about.
@ThisIsChris Yeah, that was one of the great things about growing up in New England. We ate, drank, slept, and lived colonial/revolutionary history.
Washington was the second-wealthiest man in the colonies. Morris was the weathiest, and Jon Hancock was up there as well.
@Bjorn - MD yep, one of my favorite things. That book "Spy on the Devil's Belt" took place near where I grew up
My roots are deeply Confederate and I sympathize that way in spirit but there's the case to be made that it was a rich man's war and poor man's fight for the protraction of slavery which hurt average White families and the development of the South. And it's a real question what the racial outcome in an independent CSA would have been. On the one hand slavery would have bred many more negroes on the land for decades longer but on the other hand Southerners were more racially woke and would have kept them suppressed if not deported all of them, which honestly I question the physical possibility of
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN One really interesting episode to read about is the interactions of the Dutch governor Stuyvesant of New Netherlands (modern-day New York state) with said elements. Suffice to say that there was no love lost...
@Ald Exactly, there's no clear answer.
@Bjorn - MD oh yeah that's neat. we learn a bit about Stuyvesant in school, important figure in the history of the state
A lot of places still have their dutch names, or dutch derived names
Brooklyn for example
@ThisIsChris The title sounds familiar, but I'm not sure that I've read it. I'd really like to see Sleepy Hollow one day, though.
Lond Island, Manhattan
etc
@Bjorn - MD oh yeah I went there once with my family as a kid
@ThisIsChris Yeah, I lived in the city for a few years, and a lot of the Dutch place names still remained. I always liked that...
Great Kills, Catskills, etc.
Also, the Tappan Zee Bridge 😎
@Bjorn - MD You mean the Mario Cuomo bridge?
Do you all believe that the lands of North America can ever be enchanted for us and our blood the way Europe is or will we always essentially be wandering Europeans
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN No <:varg:359010745192808449> 🇱🇺
@Ald Maybe. Turks are from central Asia not too long ago, and yet Greek Anatolia is considered "Turkey"
New England and the Old south are almost there, I think.
Maybe another Hundred years.
@Ald They already are enchanted. We just need to get our people to stop pussyfooting around and be explicit about whose they are.
Immigration, even European, did not help with a blood and soil ethnogenesis. Right now we might be living the cataclysmic origin story of the American folk who come to be
Who knows
@Ald Nah, I'd say the Southron, the Yankee, and the Amerikaner (midwest) have fulfilled ethnogenesis.
They have dialect, cuisine, political customs, fashion differences, genetic differences.
The Quebecois and Mormon as well.
Fair, I am speaking from a deracinated point of view. I'm just White and my region is just a zone. Anglo-Americana resonates but it's gone from here now
True, lots of "just Whites" caught in the mess.
I know that every era has to have its own symbols, but I really wish that there were a way to somehow use or incorporate the Grand Union Flag:
Maybe if the UK is less messed up than America for a change...
It's just cool, because there's explicit representation of the New World (the stripes) and our cultural and linguistic identity (the canton).
True. I liked the Pre-Trudeau1 Canadian flag
Yeah, that are a couple of guys up there who use it, and Faith Goldy does, too.
Better than the leaf, that's for sure...
The coat of arms symbolizes Scotland, England, Ireland, France, and Canada itself
Ultimately, though, the QQ (Quebec Question) is gonna have to be addressed, so the above flag might have to drop the fleurs de lis, lol.