Message from @banestrum

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2018-03-22 02:45:39 UTC  

Hooty is a corprate whore

2018-03-22 02:45:47 UTC  

`neoliberal`

2018-03-22 02:46:06 UTC  

```"libertarian"```

2018-03-22 02:46:10 UTC  

@Deleted User I'd be a communist if people were entirely logical and not emotional at all

2018-03-22 02:46:15 UTC  

Too bad that's not reality

2018-03-22 02:46:32 UTC  

[boot up the internet machine] time for a little own-a-rooni on the sargon chat

2018-03-22 02:46:43 UTC  

Thanks, Luigi

2018-03-22 02:46:58 UTC  

With goatee?

2018-03-22 02:47:04 UTC  

That's horrifying

2018-03-22 02:47:13 UTC  

Free trade equals economic slavery?

2018-03-22 02:49:03 UTC  

Where is the logic in that?

2018-03-22 02:49:23 UTC  

Are you willing to listen to our explanations?

2018-03-22 02:49:38 UTC  

... I like the part where you were given reasoning to start out with, and then discarded the reasoning in order to substitute your strawman, and then asked where the reasoning is

2018-03-22 02:49:46 UTC  

that's quite impressive, really

2018-03-22 02:49:47 UTC  

Ya

2018-03-22 02:50:10 UTC  

I'm just taking what you said @zahlman

2018-03-22 02:50:42 UTC  

er, which part, I think you're getting people mixed up now

2018-03-22 02:50:43 UTC  

is this how it works?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/426211094059548673/image.jpg

2018-03-22 02:51:16 UTC  

gimme a sec

2018-03-22 02:54:14 UTC  

For me, "economic freedom" on a global scale means that all nations can trade with each other with little to no restrictions. This means that regional differences in prices are esentially meaningless in such a large market, and so nations are essentially locked in to producing whatever creates the greatest GDP. So a nation with lots of fertile land is going to produce cash crops to sell on the international market and use the profits to buy food from somewhere else. If a nation did anything less than maximize their GDP, they would be outcompeted by other nations in the market and subjugated by economic means

2018-03-22 02:55:28 UTC  

Essentially, nations are locked into producing certain things by the current prices of the market and general economic pressure

2018-03-22 02:55:39 UTC  

I see

2018-03-22 02:56:36 UTC  

they don't want to have to compete with others

2018-03-22 02:56:40 UTC  

I get that the global economy produces the most economically efficient solutions on a global scale via market pressure, but it also creates extremely unbalanced systems that border on global monopolies

2018-03-22 02:57:03 UTC  

rather stay primitive & backwards

2018-03-22 02:57:04 UTC  

> produces the most economically efficient solutions

not even necessarily this, considering the overhead of transportation

2018-03-22 02:57:23 UTC  

like Islam

2018-03-22 02:57:51 UTC  

transporting goods also has environmental consequences

2018-03-22 02:58:03 UTC  

At the end of this, every nation produces exactly one product to sell on the market, and essentially holds a gun to the head of the world. If Neo-USA stops producing the worlds supply of planes, nobody has planes, thusly everyone is enslaved to the USA. And everyone is enslaved to each other via resource production

2018-03-22 02:58:18 UTC  

@zahlman That's why I said "economically" efficient.

2018-03-22 02:58:27 UTC  

They're not resource efficient by any means

2018-03-22 02:58:34 UTC  

makes sense

2018-03-22 02:59:09 UTC  

So I'm not denying the benefits of globalization, but there are downsides to it.

2018-03-22 03:00:06 UTC  

As a classical liberal, you should watch these.

2018-03-22 03:03:01 UTC  

**@Pepe** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-22 03:05:08 UTC  

Ok, so that first one, everything they said was technically correct

2018-03-22 03:05:25 UTC  

But costs ARE passed on to other nations via externalities

2018-03-22 03:06:18 UTC  

Could be environmental costs from production, health costs from pollution, whatever, because the global economy is global, the costs and benefits are going to be spread around

2018-03-22 03:06:29 UTC  

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