Message from @Benis

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2018-10-15 04:13:30 UTC  

Anyone who listens to us for five minutes knows we're White Nationalists

2018-10-15 04:15:40 UTC  

Better to be who we are than scurry around looking for strange new words to euphemize it as if we're ashamed

2018-10-15 04:18:07 UTC  

@Singleton Mosby WV Not religious at all but that is easily something I could see myself saying in dark times

2018-10-15 04:20:30 UTC  

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2018-10-15 04:21:22 UTC  

>Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identitarianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.

That's probably true, but there's already a Trump movement addressing those issues. We can touch on them as well, but if we abandon our niche we'll become an ineffective version of the Proud Boys.

2018-10-15 04:24:24 UTC  

I really don't think there's an effective youth movement for the populist trump types. There's not a positive org for Anne Coulter and Tucker Carlson types. They all ended up in negative spaces like TPUSA. Tapping into that energy would yield us a larger membership and influence base especially if we're able to get on Tucker and what not regularly representing the youth aspect of the movement

2018-10-15 04:24:57 UTC  

Then we'd have to explain why we only allow Whites into the organization.

2018-10-15 04:25:34 UTC  

And if we opened the organization up to non-Whites, we'd lose most if not all of our current membership, and probably find ourselves with a dumber and less dedicated organization.

2018-10-15 04:25:58 UTC  

Never said open up to non whites

2018-10-15 04:26:18 UTC  

Bring conservatives to us not us to them

2018-10-15 04:26:28 UTC  

Use rhetoric and policies that will make non whites disinterested without being explicity white only

2018-10-15 04:26:50 UTC  

Or just flat out don't address it

2018-10-15 04:27:00 UTC  

That's ridiculous dude

2018-10-15 04:27:03 UTC  

I actually agree that we should tap into them

2018-10-15 04:27:20 UTC  

We should create front groups to do not

2018-10-15 04:27:29 UTC  

Well, given this organization's founding it's a bit late to try to trick people into believing we're something we aren't.

2018-10-15 04:27:39 UTC  

"boy I love milk, farmers markets, and craft beer" <-- this should dissuade nonwhites from coming

2018-10-15 04:27:46 UTC  

We should never dilute the real group

2018-10-15 04:27:58 UTC  

Goodnight ladies and gents.👏

2018-10-15 04:28:05 UTC  

Goodnight @hbutzer0511

2018-10-15 04:28:30 UTC  

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2018-10-15 04:28:43 UTC  

We could do our explicit rheotric and slogans through college rep groups and other trump style groups

2018-10-15 04:29:50 UTC  

This sounds like 4D chess to break away from the stigma that comes from speaking sincerely about race and identity -- that's really not going to happen at this point, again, given the organization's history.

2018-10-15 04:30:19 UTC  

But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far

2018-10-15 04:30:23 UTC  

Our purpose isn't just to network -- it's to send a message. If we're not speaking honestly about these issues, who will?

2018-10-15 04:30:40 UTC  

Sorry to hear you don't believe we'll succeed @Kingfish

2018-10-15 04:30:47 UTC  

I hope we prove you wrong.

2018-10-15 04:30:51 UTC  

Isn't membership growing?

2018-10-15 04:30:55 UTC  

If you're not explicit on race what is even the purpose of any of this

2018-10-15 04:31:49 UTC  

There's something to be said for avoiding fringe issues, using more American/Trumpian aesthetics, etc. -- but we're already doing that. As to the term identitarian -- I think it's good, but I'm not opposed to nationalist either.

2018-10-15 04:32:03 UTC  

The left long marched into our institutions and effectively took over our country while being completely disingenuous with the people. They preached love and peace and laughed all the way to the bank with a Marxist/leftist root only seen by the top echelon

2018-10-15 04:33:05 UTC  

You don't think there was a radical vanguard?

2018-10-15 04:33:41 UTC  

Whenever someone asks me where I stand politically, I always just say I'm a nationalist to avoid having to explain identitarian, its definitely good for normie conversation

2018-10-15 04:34:10 UTC  

How many times since the 50s have we learned the lesson that masking our true intentions does not work except to actually degrade those intentions into what we wanted to overcome in the first place (the mainstream right)

2018-10-15 04:34:14 UTC  

I understand toning down the message to normies so you don't get doxed, but identitarian is specific, whereas nationalist can be a bit vague.

2018-10-15 04:34:24 UTC  

e.g. civic vs ethnic/racial

2018-10-15 04:34:31 UTC  

If it's any consolation the Left has also overplayed their hand and has no idea of how to operate when we go on the offense instead of staying on defense

2018-10-15 04:34:44 UTC  

The disagreement here I think is as to whether or not we should be explicit, or rather how explicit we should be

2018-10-15 04:35:00 UTC  

@Reinhard Wolff lmao I literally never said I don't think we'll win I even said earlier I think the ideology is strong I just don't being explicitly in your face about is going to get too far I think the networking and infrastructure will be far more important. I don't really appreciate you representing me as being against the org or our cause though. I'm not saying were doomed I'm just saying the infrastructure and the network will prove more effective long term and that our rhetoric with adjusted would grant us more of that.

2018-10-15 04:35:06 UTC  

I joined IE because it was explicitly white, well run, professional, and obviously growing.

2018-10-15 04:35:15 UTC  

I'm a supporter of this approach. The way the Overton Window works is that you always get less than you bargain for. That's why we need people to be radical. Not extremist, but radical.

The left won using front groups, but still had more radical groups both to funnel people into, and to pull on the Overton Window.