Message from @Jacob

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2018-10-15 03:31:08 UTC  

Ba'athism intensifies

2018-10-15 03:32:34 UTC  

@NateDahl76 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's his encouragement/funding

2018-10-15 03:33:04 UTC  

tfw Russian bots aren't real but Iranians are...<:nervous:359009898115104770>

2018-10-15 03:33:13 UTC  

> wanting attention from arabs
> sanity

2018-10-15 03:33:25 UTC  

I'm going to be completely honest, there's terms I like better than "identitarian", but, we need to make compromises for now

2018-10-15 03:33:35 UTC  

those are?

2018-10-15 03:33:55 UTC  

"Identitarian" is probably the best for public use

2018-10-15 03:34:40 UTC  

@Asatru Artist - MD eh I don't want to make it sound like I'm promoting terminology that goes against IE standards

2018-10-15 03:34:56 UTC  

I hate all branding and marketing in general (so tiresome), but I recognize its importance in politics and culture and I accept I.E.'s current stance as the superior option of all available.

2018-10-15 03:35:03 UTC  

DM me...I'm just curious

2018-10-15 03:35:35 UTC  

I'm just saying I totally get the point of view that "identitarian" is awkward... but you should use it because it sounds non threatening

2018-10-15 03:37:32 UTC  

Nationalist.

2018-10-15 03:37:52 UTC  

oh ya that's a good one

2018-10-15 03:38:17 UTC  

but I still understand why IE leans more toward "identitarian"

2018-10-15 03:38:33 UTC  

Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identiartianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.

2018-10-15 03:39:23 UTC  

eh, the argument on losing a sense of community is pretty strong

2018-10-15 03:40:10 UTC  

I actually think most people would be more responsive to issues related to identity than some boring economics stuff

2018-10-15 03:40:15 UTC  

Agreed, but it can be said without using vague metapolitcial terminology

2018-10-15 03:40:22 UTC  

Sure

2018-10-15 03:40:51 UTC  

Absolutely appeal to loss of community and what not I agree

2018-10-15 03:42:05 UTC  

I would probably lean towards using "identitarian" with people who are personally interested in politics and have the patience to let me explain what that means, while using something like "nationalist" for people who don't have the energy to sit through that

2018-10-15 03:42:33 UTC  

Or just don't use a label at all with some people, just go straight to ideas

2018-10-15 03:42:36 UTC  

"White well-being" is awkward but a good catch all. It can mean anything from nationalism to community support or anything in between.

2018-10-15 03:43:19 UTC  

i really liked "white well being" from No White Guilt (that's who i heard it from)

2018-10-15 03:43:59 UTC  

I would just say use Nationalist frankly, using these estblished ideological terms kind of railroads you into talking points whereas drawing from a large pool of generally right wing ideas or popular feelings and events will make us a bit tougher for leftists to pin down and a bit easier for people to sympathize with

2018-10-15 03:44:07 UTC  

"white well being" is non threatening and multivariate. Like JT's "white advocacy" (also good)

2018-10-15 03:44:28 UTC  

I think being explicitly counter revolutionary to the left is going to be far more effective than revolutionary to the right

2018-10-15 03:45:13 UTC  

"Identitarian" could appeal to more intellectual people

2018-10-15 03:45:38 UTC  

it sounds smart

2018-10-15 03:45:55 UTC  

also there's the people who are really into politics and know what it means

2018-10-15 03:45:55 UTC  

Lol.

2018-10-15 03:46:22 UTC  

Gotta say, I think AltRight is still the best term from a purely marketing perspective

2018-10-15 03:46:23 UTC  

Saying words to sound smart is kinda of a weird strategy because if they're actually "intellectual" they might just be unimpressed

2018-10-15 03:46:35 UTC  

hmm good point

2018-10-15 03:46:56 UTC  

Since CVille, we’ve been struggling to settle on a new term and nothing has stuck

2018-10-15 03:47:20 UTC  

That's because the term was killed

2018-10-15 03:47:27 UTC  

The brand was destroyed lmao

2018-10-15 03:48:24 UTC  

No one ever analyzes what ideology NAACP is. They just are the NAACP. Let's just be IE

2018-10-15 03:48:45 UTC  

I guess "identitarian" would be nice if it caught on, since "nationalist" has a bit of baggage, though "nationalist" had the advantage of being more well known. So, I would say use "identitarian" with people who are ready for it, and use "nationalist" with everyone else.

2018-10-15 03:50:00 UTC  

This is a great article, finally catching up on it in full