we have guns so we are free = we are free so long as there's not a bigger force of opinion to gun us down

@Fulcrum010 thats a simplistic take.

Your government spy the living shit out of every single human being on earth

@radeon
Because your take is simplistic

we have guns ***because*** we are free.

it is the means by which we ensure that freedom

I think guns would also guarantee freedom

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we ensure our freedom with our demoractic right to protest and to vote for whoever represents us best or to campaign if we don't think the person in charge is doing a good job

"we have guns, so we are free, anyone else that don't have guns live in a dictatorship" for fuck sake

What sort of fucking autism came through here?

ok, so what do you do when your parliment votes to stop all elections and repeal the constitution?

or simply ignore your rights?

your rights are words on paper, they mean nothing without enforcement.

@radeon get fucked is the answer to that, my dude

The idea that a lack of guns is dictatorship is dumb

You revolt.

The legal acess to weapon means shit during a revolution

If people want to revolt againt their government they do

With guns or no guns

a lack of guns is absolutely neccesary for dictatorship, yes

Especially since the government has really big guns

before this inevitably turns into the US gun owners vs. the military argument, let me nip that in the bud by saying that isn't what we're talking about

if they violate our basic law

to such a massive extent

goddamn

without a democratic mandate

people will find their weapons

would you guys like to take this shit to <#372513679964635138> or <#412721382003179530> ?

the police and military that oppose this decision will provide their arms as well

the point of the second amendment is to basically hold a preverbial gun to the federal governments head and prevent tyranny from ever starting

Having guns is one of the indicators of a free society, but to claim that not having guns means living in a dictatorship is just obnoxious.

Let's not fall into the trap of dealing with absolutes, the world its not black and white, everything is different shades of grey

to stop another revolution before it is ever neccesary

tbh having a gun is a completely cultural thing

if you go to 99% of countries and talk to them about their right to carry arms they'll look at you like you're a lunatic

*western countries

if you have no means of defending your freedoms then you're just waiting for the next dictator. How many tyrants has europe had in the time the US has existed? a dozen? 20? 30?

@radeon
What will stop a tyrant government is not the guns of the people, it's the will of the people to not live under a dictatorship

It's all about mindset

mindset doesn't stop jackboots.

guns will, though.

we elected our tyrants