Message from @adss

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2018-03-27 10:32:42 UTC  

getting tired but enjoying convo

2018-03-27 10:34:00 UTC  

But it's also possible the only truth from teaching rationale well to the youth, is that much of a "better society" depends on the goals you have for life, and life goals are irrational, by that all will fade to nothing. so we can take that and assume lifes meaning and therefore purpose will differ, and so opinions on a better society will very so greatly between collectivism, individualism, materialism, spiritualism. we'll even with well rational children (not indoctrinated) will cause conflict

2018-03-27 10:34:08 UTC  

and warfare will continue

2018-03-27 10:34:48 UTC  

It's my belief such differences will not easily go away, and so if "better society" is one without warfare. your best bet is indoctrination and total control

2018-03-27 10:35:04 UTC  

at least if it's not spiritual

2018-03-27 10:38:52 UTC  

Those differences in beliefs are fine and you can vote democratically for those values but in a system with many checks and balances it's going to be difficult to have it be dominated by one general ideology and will more likely become a complex system that incorporates many different ideas and over time the one's that work will stay and the one's that don't will be removed.

2018-03-27 10:40:19 UTC  

Define work. less violent? more productive? closer to god?

2018-03-27 10:43:36 UTC  

it depends. For example we know that the separation of religion and state is necessary because without that freedom of religion couldn't exist for the minor religions. We know that the right to bear arms is necessary to protect the right to freedom of speech. We know freedom of speech is valuable because it keeps society from suppressing ideas that could potentially better humanity, etc.

2018-03-27 10:45:50 UTC  

**Aodhan#5253** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-27 10:45:56 UTC  

true, they all share a common relationship, expression, or the will to express. or better the right to conflict

2018-03-27 10:46:28 UTC  

one way or the other, we want the right to rebel, to object

2018-03-27 10:47:24 UTC  

It's so of my belief this is the problem, many want to avoid creating conflict, or believe a better society is a peaceful one or one devoid of conflict/violence

2018-03-27 10:47:48 UTC  

now violence always leads people to lend their mind to the worst of thoughts

2018-03-27 10:47:57 UTC  

but think sport as an example

2018-03-27 10:48:35 UTC  

the Olympics are perhaps humanities best global achievement in my mind, something so silly as sports

2018-03-27 10:49:11 UTC  

but nonetheless it symbolizes finding ways to fight out differences and find peace through violence

2018-03-27 10:52:05 UTC  

Or to assert dominance by saying we produce better people than you and advertize people to come to your better country

2018-03-27 10:52:57 UTC  

Look at this guy he runs fast, if you were in our country this guy would be winning for you

2018-03-27 10:54:02 UTC  

Right, also is a good way to settle an argument. not all arguments but it does help some

2018-03-27 10:55:29 UTC  

hi!

2018-03-27 10:57:16 UTC  

I guess where I like to go with this thinking is that violence is so overlooked on the importance it leads in a healthy society, to test your society against another. war is after all quite productive in many ways. but if society could find ways to compete without its most uneducated form, being that of destroying the other proves I'm right argument. we might actually start to see the path to universal truth is ironically mixed in with what we perceive as the worst argument you can make, that of "shutup or ill shut you up"

2018-03-27 10:58:05 UTC  

so western culture > third world

2018-03-27 10:58:08 UTC  

fucking fascist

2018-03-27 10:58:51 UTC  

debating in itself can be a form of warfare. why would anyone want to rid a society of such things?

2018-03-27 10:59:18 UTC  

^

2018-03-27 10:59:25 UTC  

want to bring importance to this

2018-03-27 10:59:44 UTC  

if a server wants to survive gotta recognize debating is a form of warfare

2018-03-27 11:00:31 UTC  

Society as a hole mate.

2018-03-27 11:02:35 UTC  

conflict is the path of progress, I don't want to rid the world of my enemies, no, you'll never rid yourself of enemies, nobody is ultimately alike, and no one goal will satisfy. so a society that has not embraced this cannot survive.

2018-03-27 11:03:07 UTC  

Better to segregate and give people the option to move to their desired hell imo

2018-03-27 11:04:10 UTC  

i dunno m8

2018-03-27 11:04:21 UTC  

i got 5 bans in 2 hours

2018-03-27 11:04:46 UTC  

im just an anarchist

2018-03-27 11:05:03 UTC  

i just wanna deffend my family and friends from everyone els

2018-03-27 11:06:55 UTC  

what's up fascistanis contrapoints btfo sargon

2018-03-27 11:07:15 UTC  

kewl story bro

2018-03-27 11:07:31 UTC  

nice avatar

2018-03-27 11:08:07 UTC  

there's more than 2 genders debate me

2018-03-27 11:08:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/428148228895277056/8776A4E00A2343888C473A7F346BB1CE.jpg

2018-03-27 11:09:40 UTC  

Depends, do I have to abide by how many genders one person believes to another? or is it scientific? even so, can we agree to disagree?