through oopression

there is no one society

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I know, but that's the goal for many

they want to fix the world

their way

then let them fix it. If it brings peace and prosperity across the globe then why fight it?

Because it wont

It's flawed to think you can change everyones minds

some people want fascism, some want liberty

some want islam

very few actually want fascism

are you of the belief you can convince them of that?

educating children is the key to changing society for the better

I don;t need to convince anyone of anthing

You'll just indoctrinate?

I just need the ignorant to send their kids to school. If it's free most will do so. Essentially yes. For the betterment of society.

Ah. Well you'll get what you're after, if you control the educating that's

however. Indoctrination isn't quite right. I would want to teach them critical thinking skills

I'm going to teach my boy critical thinking too.

That's the plan

I understand. rationally if you're right, they would believe what's educating, and you would not fear the critical, as you believe you hold the truth.

good on you Valty

I hate the idea of indoctrinating children, regardless what it is.

Let them decide for themselves.

Exactly. and yes some will slip through the cracks and take mein kampf seriously but most won't

In theory

in theory yes

Schools are known for indoctrination too though, so I'm prepared to balance out any bullshit he's taught.

Well, if some universal truth does exist for a better society, the children and the right education would be the path to finding out

the modern education system doesn't teach any real valuable skills other than reading and writing

that's my belief

Some math

I was going to type math but got lazy lol

getting tired but enjoying convo

But it's also possible the only truth from teaching rationale well to the youth, is that much of a "better society" depends on the goals you have for life, and life goals are irrational, by that all will fade to nothing. so we can take that and assume lifes meaning and therefore purpose will differ, and so opinions on a better society will very so greatly between collectivism, individualism, materialism, spiritualism. we'll even with well rational children (not indoctrinated) will cause conflict

and warfare will continue

It's my belief such differences will not easily go away, and so if "better society" is one without warfare. your best bet is indoctrination and total control

at least if it's not spiritual

Those differences in beliefs are fine and you can vote democratically for those values but in a system with many checks and balances it's going to be difficult to have it be dominated by one general ideology and will more likely become a complex system that incorporates many different ideas and over time the one's that work will stay and the one's that don't will be removed.

Define work. less violent? more productive? closer to god?