Message from @Ald
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When I say not the org I'm saying not the org itself but the current status of our situation and our approach I think we'd benefit from a bit of a rhetoric shift and I think we're doing that so I'm fairly content. A lot of your speeches have had a populist lean and I'm pretty sure every time I've said how much of a good idea I think it is
@micbwilli can you please delete and post that later?
Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt
I never said we had no chance and I really like our slightly shifting direction
I think a lot of normie cons are getting more receptive to something more radical especially after Kavanaugh, they will respect us if we are strong and maintain our positions instead of cucking or keeping our agenda secret
I just want that made clear
@ThisIsChris What more could we want? Who else will struggle for the ideal for us?
Glad to hear it @Kingfish
Yeah my bad boss
I hope IE never stops being white only or explicitly for white well being.
But my ideas still stand, and I think @Jacob has a great point with influencing groups like CR and other heritage groups indirectly rather than flatout converting them
An effective radical vanguard should act as a center of gravity for everyone very broadly on our side, not as an ideological prostitute pulled this way and that by who we "need" to appease
@Ald what we want is the right and ability to organize white people for their collective interest. This may happen in a state where whites are a super majority, majority, plurality, or less. We hope it's more, but realistically it could be less and we don't want to be painted with the bad parts of "ethnostate" if it's not actually important to our real goals
I've considered this issue at length, and that's part of the reason we've shifted as we have. The problem, as I see it, is that the culture of our "movement" and organization is too radically racial for the average Tucker fan.
If we dilute our message enough, people will leave.
@ThisIsChris An ideal is a frame of reference that gives "important" or "unimportant" their meanings
I agree I just want to see us be able to tap that message somehow without losing o it essence
I do think there's somewhat of a happy medium, which is why the server rules as they are.
@Ald on that I really disagree, because the ideal is something that is not realistic it is a gift to those that want to slander us. Richard Spencer can't talk to a reporter without them asking him how he's going to remove nonwhites from America for his ethnostate. Ethnic removal is not really something we are thinking about or have any concrete plans to think about.
As long as IE is white only and primarily concerned with creating a better world / America for white people, I can roll with adjustments.
In the truly long game, only an ethnostate addresses the conditions necessary for our guaranteed existence. I see it as a victory in itself that ethnostate has entered the lexicon of the politically minded
@Nemets Russia has its ethnic divisions due to its huge size, but the environment and circumstances are different here.
@Nemets Not saying there is nothing to learn though.
@Ald I disagree, many ethnic groups in the world without a state. some minority groups even rule over their host country's majority
@ThisIsChris One can have immediate goals like securing the border and freedom of association, increasing our birthrate and decreasing that of the colored, etc, and these are all good, but if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people
@Nemets That require aspects of state apparatus that at least tolerates such action.
I'm thinking to myself, what is the plan for Europeans 10,000 years down the road?
My 2 cents before I sleep. I think it's not good to cover a racial identitarian moment as anything else as it becomes apparent to others what it is about.
Someone I was listing to the other day was talking about predictive police algorithms. When they are told to avoid targeting blacks they just target a proxies like weave shops and places of high methol sales (not a joke).
The American Values or other so stated things are just a proxy for White culture and identity. You'll have all the negatives tossed at you for being an implict white group and none of the positives of being honest about what your group is.
@Ald "if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people" not true, so long as white-white couples produce more children that goes beyond replacing those lost
We aren’t even doing that now though, @ThisIsChris.
The ruling elite game, which is the best we can hope for outside an ethnostate, does not work, empirically. Look at Indians. Look at Persians. Look at South Americans. @ThisIsChris
Regarding ethnostate. You can't get one by any means until enough people are racially conscious. Making whites racially conscious is the first task and I think IE is great at that.
Conservative white couples have a high birth rate. They can overtake if their is no immigration.
The number one goal is (legally and non-violently) replacing our current ruling class/establishment.
legally, non-violently, in Minecraft
Passing a few immigration bills while the media, academia, the donor class, etc. all pull the strings won't amount to much in the end.
@dudelsäcke true, but my two points are 1. the point is sticking out your end goal as your first goal for criticism is very unnecessary, and 2. We should try to understand how we can be a prosperous people in a non-ideal world without trying to go "all out"
What happens after we install a new political class could take many forms. I'm of the opinion that an all-White ethnostate in America is unlikely -- at least at this point -- but who knows where we'll be in 50, 100, 250 years.
Defeating the Left is absolutely goal number one, though.
Which is why we should be friendly with other Trump supporters.