And the Bantus displaced the Khoisan. So much for pan-Africanism.

@Reinhard Wolff 2:23:00

I liked that strategy but IIRC it was shut down due to legal concerns (targeting).

Thanks, @Wood-Ape - OK/MN.

@dudelsäcke " birthdate and demographics are all intertwined though. Whites have low birth rates because they are shouldering the burden of POCs and because of guilt and because of nihilism. These forces will only strengthen with time in a multiethnic country." Agreed but all we can do is find out how to flourish and fight nihilism given our current circumstances, which are less than ideal but not impossible to work within

@Reinhard Wolff It takes a minute or two

@Jacob do you not?

People should bring that up more. Not so innocent.

@Nemets

@Nemets you said non human. Do you hold to the theory that Subsaharans are Homo Idaltu admixed?

Okay I wasn't meaning on spending a long time on Discord today, but I feel I need to respond to this "ethnostate" thing.

The idea behind it is good, but the term is bad. "Ethnostate" sounds too science fiction, and it sounds like we're demanding a 100.00% white homeland tomorrow. It makes an easy target to talk about how unrealistic we are.

There's more mild ways of expressing the same idea. I usually tell people that I believe every group should have a homeland where they're the clear majority. Just talk about homelands, majorities, supermajorities, etc. These sound really reasonable and not science fiction y.

@Nemets Mestizos aren't Bantu though. Aztecs!

https://www.rt.com/business/440807-zulu-king-south-africa-land/

Talk of Bantu reminded me of this. Next time someone calls SA genocide a white supremacy conspiracy let them know the Zulu think it's a real issue.

I think you underestimate the power and actually necessity of having an absolutist ideal. At the bottom of a hole it serves as a point of reference as to what "better" would be. Better would be more whites, less non whites, more promotion of tradition and less of degeneracy, more of health and less of sickness, etc. Don't get blinders on about immediate smaller issues or else the effort is all for nothing in the end @ThisIsChris

Yes but most whites don't even see themselves as white, or worse are anti white. Have to fix that first

Truth

Whites are getting less colorblind and starting to "notice".

@Ald those are all more manageable goals though and can be discussed perfectly without discussing ethnostates

Also, I think the "ethnostate" term pushes us into a false dichotomy. Opponents will often respond that it's unrealistic and therefore we shouldn't try. Of course, to us, we understand that this argument is wrong, but, it intuitively sounds reasonable without thinking about it too deeply.

Saying that what we want is "an ethnostate" makes it sound like it's 100.00% or bust, which, at best, sounds like an unrealistic goal, and, at worst, sounds like we want to throw babies into train cars.

Now, I understand that this is a stupid argument, but, we should still avoid it.

@Nemets what is the deal with Somalis? to me they seem less intelligent and physiologically stranger than west Africans.

@ThisIsChris But they all are only desirable within a framework wherein the implicit ideal is the ethnostate

@Nemets Are Zulu Bantu?

@Ald or just white flourishing generally

What do you put forward as peak white flourishing instead?

Just making it work somehow?

Why?

When we know what the best thing for our people really is

Peak white flourishing is white flourishing that exists, is real, and is stable

States, especially ethnostates, don't exist and are not stable in concept or practice

@Nemets Who are the most anti-white group in South Africa? What kind of blacks are coming for the farms?

Why does this place always get interesting this time of night when I need sleep?

Oh well night guys. Thank care.

@Jacob, I disagree. The left is always using utopian ideals, like communism. Many moderate leftists just don’t believe in such utopian ideas. But it it pushes the Overton window nonetheless. Maybe we aren’t pushing the discussion hard enough by using distancing verbiage.

Murdoch on his podcast had a great, simple approach: "Be pro white. Try to make the future for white people better, try to make your land more white and not less. Anyone who is pro white is a potential ally."

That's a great point with the Overton Window @dudelsäcke

@Jacob EFF seems top villains

What I really want to impress is that no one will stake that radical ideal for us. And the more we promote it the more acceptable everyone a little more lenient looks, pulling the overton window our way

@Jacob https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_Fighters

These bits are the biggest worry I know of.

Still, advocating for homelands for all people where they live around those they share a common culture and identity with is a more "reasonable" sounding way of expressing the same idea @dudelsäcke

Cause like, if ethnostate guys are a fact of politics, by comparison just being hard on immigration looks moderate

@ThisIsChris

@Ald That's honestly a really good point and probably the best argument I've heard in favor of the "ethnostate" strategy