We should sound radical but not to the point that it's science fiction y

@Jacob, I agree. But the dissident right needs a spectrum of commentators who are pushing varying degrees of our beliefs. In polite company, say “homelands” for all. But maybe IE’s place is more to the right...? I donno. From Tomi to Tucker to Lauren to... Where does IE fit?

@Ald "if ethnostate guys are a fact of politics, by comparison just being hard on immigration looks moderate" that's a big if though because "if ethnostate guys are a fact of politics" presumes they can ever be successful, which they can't in our time or place or any forseeable time and place

"Any foreseeable time and place"

@Ald IE also doesn't have to do everything. A decentralized right wing /white well being movement is anti-fragile and multiple approaches by separate groups can help even without teamwork. IE has the highest potential for growth as "good cop." We shouldn't either endorse or disavow other groups like Patriot Front. We do our thing they do theirs. An explicit ethnostate group can do their thing too.

What are we even laboring for then

If you can't foresee any time and place

where a white nation for whites is plausible

@dudelsäcke That's a good point. Maybe guys advocating for an "ethnostate" do have a place, but I think there's a strong need for something like IE

@Ald white flourishing generally. fewer specifics means opponents can't pin us down on rhetorical points

So you want plausibility but fewer specifics. I guess the ideal on that view is just "Shit be how it is"

I prefer to call it racial self-determination of sovereignty, but flourishing works too.

The existing ethnostate groups (League of the South, Northwest Front) don't have good records. If a new group rose that could only be a good thing, but it benefits IE and everyone for IE to not be too entangled in such a group.

@Ald given that things are how they are, we are working towards a better country for white people in the ways we can, and discussing ethnostates would set us back

Not really though? The fact the word ethnostate is even in the political vocabulary now is a victory

@Ald I disagree with that, it's in the voccabulary for hostile media to whip out and scare possible allies away from us

The media is blind. A lot of people hear their rhetoric and think the opposite. Even normies.

Well are we trying to accomplish something or be non threatening?

Advocating for white interests has a nice ring to it. I think that's what AmRen terms there work.

We're trying to accomplish things and we're definitely not trying to threaten anyone

What about the guys we really want to whom ethnostate sounds appealing? Who do they join? Idiot wn 1.0 type groups?

@Ald they need to do some introspection on what they really want. if they want to live in fantasy land then they shouldn't join IE

I joined IE because I see it as the most plausible vehicle for the existence and flourishing of our people, which in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity

We should have various side projects at various levels of Overton-pushing that seem unaffiliated with IE.

@Ald I would say they can join IE, but they have to portray us a certain way publicly

"I joined IE because I see it as the most plausible vehicle for the existence and flourishing of our people, which in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity" it's this "in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity" that I don't see @Ald why?

I just see it as different jobs. IE is building community and support networks, helping members grow, doing service and impactful demonstrations. Ans waking white people up.

A different group, well run by responsible leaders, COULD run an ethnostate promoting group. But IE and such a group BENEFIT MORE from not being intertwined.

@dudelsäcke interesting idea and one for the future, at the moment we really need to work on building up IE

True

Because an ethnostate group would benefit from IE's success. And IE can more easily succeed if not tied to an ethnostate

But they don’t have to be full on rallies or anything. A Twitter here, a podcast there. IE members do that stuff anyway

Too late though, right?

@dudelsäcke anything that can't be linked to IE through your identity or any other chain is your own business. I know I have anonymous twitter account so I don't have to worry about speaking as an IE member. Not that I sperg out but I wouldn't want to present something as being said by an IE member without it being approved by leadership anyway

Still

@ThisIsChris wellll I don't think that's entirely true

If someone was found saying something super depraved, they'd probably have action taken against them even if it wasn't tied to IE

Well, we don’t want to push the Overton window that far anyway. LOL

@Jacob true

@ThisIsChris Wellbeing in any sense that makes, well, sense, implies a range of minimal and maximal wellbeing. What is your idea of maximal wellbeing if not a place by and for us and us alone for our interests alone

That's my last word on it

@Nemets What do you think we should replace capitalism with?