but if we're plotting countries on a spectrum norway is closer to being socialist than venezuela

versterven is on two spectrums

By your standards the USSR was never socialist because private enterprise was allowed in certain industries

*sigh*

i cant do this

those aren't my standards

We're not just looking at the private versus public sector ratios @versterven

the private sector was far from dominant in the ussr

You are misrepresenting our case

?

Ughhhh

It's one part of the equation, there are a lot of other factors to consider

You keep looking at this through a one dimensional lense

That's it.

Vote ban @versterven
👍 or 👎

Marx promised the collapse of capitalism in the most advanced capitalistic society back then (UK), did not happen, aeyh?

It is not binary

@Fulcrum010 shame on you

of course, at any time the ussr could have privatized all of their state owned industries, ergo it was actually capitalist, in the same way the venezuelan government having the ability to expropriate private industry at any time makes them socialist

We don't ban people we disagree with

I support @versterven 's right to speak his mind

We dont censor

You should be ashamed of yourself

Yeah we can have a civil conversation and no one loses there right to speak

This should not be an echo chamber

of we did we are no better the the losers on the Alt-right and the SJWs

And I also want to commend @versterven for maintaining a civil discourse even though he is facing multiple opponents at the same time

@Deleted User
My patience is limited, and I think that others are pissed with him too.
He is not coming here to have a conversation, he is coming here to start shit up, so I don't see a reason people should be respectful with him

@Fulcrum010 Be civil man

I disagree with the way he looks at Venezuela but I don't think he is here to start shit up

I think he's giving his opinion

What would Sargon do?

I disagree with it but he should be able to speak it

agreed

Lol sargon would have lost his mind far before now and left the server

I ban Autists that deny the Holodomor

Sargon would have whaped him with the banhammer

No

Sargon be like "Da Fuck?"

"get fucked, you marxist scum"

that isn't true werlf because you haven't banned me and i'm an autist who denies the holodomor

so a retard