@Finesse its funny cause you know that this is exactly how some guys got laid. Took something they wanted to do and wrapped it in female "empowerment"

that said I don't know much about the NAP so if I'm unknowingly arguing in favor of it please enlighten me

but why is social freedom a goal if it isn't virtuous? shouldn't a functioning society be a higher goal?

ok

"Trust me, sweetheart, if it wasn't for the patriarchy you'd be able to share me with your girlfriends."

the patriarchy is gay

the NAP implies that as long as you don't violate other's freedoms you may do as you please. this only functions off of the premise that the NAP, and by proxy, social freedom, is inherently virtuous

sure, i guess I agree with the NAP then

so in doing that you /do/ think freedom is inherently a virtue

sure

@Guan the (((NAP))) was the best thing I woke up from, it only works if the behaviors people engage in are not harmful to the society which creates that freedom in the first place

I mean i'm highkey a hedonist so take that with a grain of salt

exactly @Anarchyng i was ancap then i took the traditionalist pill

I

fuck traditionalism

but yeah i don't think freedom is the highest moral good, i think that a society should be going for other goods

*still an anarchist, but i know that if it is possible to have a stateless society it would only be with extreme traditionalism for lack of a better word

why fuck traditionalism?

yes i agree

which is why i think it's only necessary to culturally discourage rather than to outlaw

traditionalism implies that it is virtuous to do something just because it's traditional

no

it decries progress

the tradition is there because it has been tested

can i define what it means to me RAF?

sure

in my mind traditionalism is shorthand for returning to old society where christendom, pre-sexual revolution values, and objective morality are enforced. that can mean a lot of things, of course.

>pre sexual revolution

yes i think it was a mistake

I think values before the sexual revoluton were worse

i disagree

and I mean the issue is that you're using "traditionalism" to refer to one specific tradition

I might just as well say that traditionalism is african tribalism

because that's also a tradition

this is what a lot of traditionalists generally mean, as in western christendom

well in that case I think christian traditionalist would be a better term

sure

it just turns off atheists more if i do that

lol that's true

Yall boys ever fucked a girl in the pooper?

but i guess it turns off most people