Never in the history of psychology has feeding a psychological disease been considered effective in curing it.

Well one of them was about the line of what "Making an effort" or the equivalent statement you made, was

M4 i think you would need to back that statement.

@EmptyE Your further questioning requires that I go into greater detail does it not.

Nobody should make any effort to allow their speech to be forcibly policed.

Not by members of society or parliamentary government.

Nothing I've argued has been about the effectiveness or otherwise of treatments/Transitioning. @meratrix

let's say you were going to become a boy, but a doctor altered your chromosome so the Y wouldn't kick in

are you still a boy?

oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```

You might be correct.

There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.

Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.

I'd rather people not go through an expensive procedure where there is no proof thay ir has an improvement.

@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.

there are also biological differences in trans people

Organs can be different and stuff

@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?

Expressed fairly being an important term there

Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.

@Omsomething I could get behind that

@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they don’t bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.

is LGBTQ mental illness? no

that is their gender identity

do you guys know that scandinavian documentarian who did a piece on gender where he interviewed simon baron cohen and some other folks?

trying to find that right now...

@meratrix might have mixed you up with someone else here. You also claimed I believe that said individual should be somewhat along in transitioning. Which is the bit I was poking. What constiuents transitioning enough?

and no Hooty, just the T

I think you're just transphobic

**AND THERE IT IS**

@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.

*Confette*

You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.

how is it a mental illness?

@meratrix what classifies as bitching then?

It's delusional.

your feelings are delusional?

Feelings can perpetuate delusions.

OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male

If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?