Normally, all humans have a heart that functions purely biologically. But some people have to get pace makers to make their heart work. Does this make them no longer human? No, they are simply modified.

Feeding their psychological trauma isn't going to improve their situation, clearly.

Yes we do

Its called a name

if you get a face transplant, are you a different person?

no

just modified

@EmptyE Like I said, if they’re know the descision they are making, and they are not bitching despit their descision, than I will oblige them. Have to actually been reading what I said, cause your response is idiotic.

No, Nicholas cage is still John Travolta

then i wouldn't hang around you mate. hence the friendship argument

Referring to someone as their name all the time is clunky, slow, and doesn't stop people from using sir/ma'am.

If you lose an arm are you a different person? If you become blind are you different person? Some i have heard have claimed they are.

so biology doesn't matter in this case

Because those words are polite.

@Deleted User If it were functioning as either, than that’s what it would be, but the organ on a fetus is NOT FUNCTIONING!

it has to be what you started with?

@meratrix what I read was you ramble on about psychology and treatment when all I asked was a question about social decorum. So have you been reading what I've been typing?

You kept asking further questions.

Never in the history of psychology has feeding a psychological disease been considered effective in curing it.

Well one of them was about the line of what "Making an effort" or the equivalent statement you made, was

M4 i think you would need to back that statement.

@EmptyE Your further questioning requires that I go into greater detail does it not.

Nobody should make any effort to allow their speech to be forcibly policed.

Not by members of society or parliamentary government.

Nothing I've argued has been about the effectiveness or otherwise of treatments/Transitioning. @meratrix

let's say you were going to become a boy, but a doctor altered your chromosome so the Y wouldn't kick in

are you still a boy?

oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```

You might be correct.

There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.

Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.

I'd rather people not go through an expensive procedure where there is no proof thay ir has an improvement.

@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.

there are also biological differences in trans people

Organs can be different and stuff

@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?

Expressed fairly being an important term there

Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.

@Omsomething I could get behind that

@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they don’t bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.