**AND THERE IT IS**

@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.

*Confette*

You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.

how is it a mental illness?

@meratrix what classifies as bitching then?

It's delusional.

your feelings are delusional?

Feelings can perpetuate delusions.

OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male

If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?

it's delusional

🤦

@EmptyE It’s not about transitioning enough, it’s about making the effort. And bitching is a fairly universal term. EX: If they just yell at me for calling them by male pronouns when I have never met them before and they look very much male cause they haven’t even tried to transition.

How many would see this as a problem if changing your gender would be easy and reversible?

@meratrix yeah and if someone did that to me I'd refer to them exclusively by male pronouns because that persons clearly a cunt who should be bullied. but Bitching isn't that universal, some may say bitching requires multiple instances of a behaviour, some may say it's just a tone or an attitude

@meratrix and making an effort is surely subjective. Some people may demand tits before they class it as making an effort

let's see what psychology has to say about this

some may just want them to have a dress on

@EmptyE When I say making the effort, I mean have they actually tried to go to a phycologist and/or transition in any way. They could even just be researching it for themselves.

So in essence M4 you are mostly just worried about the medical implications to people who might be impressionable and not mentally stable?

@meratrix why should they disclose that to you for social decorum goods?

am I one of the idiots?

@EmptyE Because how will I know what to call them then. If they want me to oblige them, then they better make it known. And almost certainly they will be a close friend or something similar for them too feel comfortable telling me they’re trans in the first place.

@M4Gunner
Well you are in the internet, people you dislike and do not want to talk with do not leave just because you want them to. It is a shared forum, and we all are on different levels of understanding on the topic.

@M4Gunner new questions, new crowd to me mate. Don't have to engage

@EmptyE I can’t go around in circles with you all day, I got other shit to do. See ya, you are much more enjoyable to chat with than Hooty.

@Deleted User This is a really great mini doc on gender and sexuality studies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

@meratrix Not trying to take you in circles. But fair, cya.

I think if someone LOOKS a certain way, and you address them according to how they present themselves and instead of just letting you know it's not what they are, they verbally accost you and call you transphobic then they can go fuck themselves.

@M4Gunner Presuppose? Fuck you mate. I put alot of damn effort in being as value neutral as possible

Being transgender is not a choice. Transgender people don't choose to cross over and live as the other gender. They are, and always have been, the other gender.

@Jek Porkins agreed.

Ah sure, hit me up later if you want to talk. I could be wrong but a LOT of people might be talking about separate things when they talk about this topic.

It has many sides in it and people usually assume everyone is talking about the same one.

but sometimes it is

just sayin

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/laugh-cry-live/201507/transgender-or-truegender

It never is

especially nowadays

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] Fairly certain that would be a false diagnosis of dysmoprhia

being a transvestite doesnt mean you have gender dysphoria