my understanding is Poland is fairly open to immigration because so many of their people leave the country.

So it would be hypocritical to be anti-immigrant, when many of their people are immigrants to other countries.

Luckily they seem to have enough of a national/ethnic identity to want to preserve it.

Ah, I see. Yeah, I think a lot of Polish emigrated to the UK, right?

What I meant is that while most Polish people intuitively know that immigration sucks, they still need to be educated on the arguments against it or else they'll be easily subverted.

Also, a big problem is that people in Poland don't have a strong enough sense of urgency. There's definitely a sizeable subset of "eh, what's a few refugees gonna do?"

@Asatru Artist - MD That's not true anymore

@Gimlet Yes, many went to Germany and the UK

I have family in the UK and Norway

it's sad

Can't these countries simply look at the terrorist incidents, racial tensions, gang rapes, etc in all the "enriched" countries to get a sense of urgency?

I see your point, @Jacob .

very interesting passage

@Asatru Artist - MD @Gimlet @Nemets

> Poles emigrate to other countries for decades for "better lives"
> other countries begin mass emigration to Europe, Poles change attitude...
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To be honest I don't see it as hypocritical

The ones leaving aren't the ones voting for less immigration

It's really stupid when leftists claim that Polish people *in Poland* have an obligation to accept immigrants because Polish people outside of Poland are immigrants

It's like saying you should let your kid snort cocaine because your cousin is a drug dealer

Well, I could obviously see how Poles would be for immigration as long as the immigrants were European, and then change their mind as the nature of the immigrants changed.

Makes sense.

@Gimlet I can't

No doubt.

There's really no clear benefit to European immigration, it's just "less bad"

@Nemets I still agree with that

Don't get me wrong, I'll take 1000 Ukrainians over 1 Syrian

Eh, I don't think people necessarily need to stay in a 100-mile radius of where they were born for the rest of their lives.

I think you could easily get into a purity-spiral situation arguing that no one should ever emigrate.

This country wouldn't exist without restless white people.

While I wouldn't want one European country to flood another and wipe out what makes it unique, in general, I have no problem with Euro immigration, obviously as long as it's good people, not criminals, genuinely want to be a part of the new country and not just leech off it etc. It's only non white immigration I don't like. Or, in other words, I want immigrants that will keep my country the way it is (well, not as it is today, but you get the point).

Even with non whites, does the Chinese family running the local restaurant really threaten my nation's existence by itself? No. Everything bad in this world is always bad because it's excessive. We used to restrict immigration such that the ethnic balance of the country would stay the same, and that's fine.

No, we don't have to go that far, but immigration does drive up housing prices, lower wages for competing workers, and disincentivize investment into education since corporations can just import people. This applies even if they assimilate.

Also, you're going to have a serious cultural impact by importing thousands of, say, Polish people. One family night not do much harm but even European groups will damage social cohesion in large numbers.

I personally would support a quota system that favors Western Europeans, and I say this as a Polish guy.

@Gimlet

@Nemets Well, then Poland has to fix the problems causing them to leave.

Or east Europe generally

Idk why I'm Discording when I should be working on my car.

Yeah, I agree, @Jacob .

Another rarely discussed issue is that immigration creates broken families, which isn't healthy. Part of the reason I'm so hardcore on this issue is the impact immigration had on my family.

This is anecdotal, but immigrants, even European ones, seem to disproportionately have problems with degeneracy and drug addiction

Keep in mind that *I grew up around this* and most of you didn't

Immigrants are always different from the population they come from. First generation tends to be differ the most from the parent population. Regression to the mean makes the second Gen more resemble the parent population then the parents did.

First Gen immigrants in USA are less criminal then the second Gen as a lot of liberals will boast about them being less criminal than the average American. They don't understand that this just makes people look at who is making up the criminality of the average American.

2nd gen children seem to resent the fact they are forced to live in a country unlike the culture they are brought up in.