Message from @Zilna Jestov

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2018-10-22 03:41:51 UTC  

Maybe the rise of identitarianism is a good step, in that case

2018-10-22 03:42:05 UTC  

Since now the right has a radical vanguard that can pull the Overton Window

2018-10-22 03:46:06 UTC  

Is it accurate to say that that's more likely, though? A radical vanguard can make them seem more moderate. Also, we now have more dedicated people to promote anti-immigration ideas. So, even those that don't publicly present as radical are now going out there and advocating against immigration.

2018-10-22 03:46:28 UTC  

It seems like this is what you're describing with the left. They developed a radical vanguard that pushed the entire left further left.

2018-10-22 03:50:02 UTC  

I don't think the Overton Window is moving the the right, I think the Overton Window is splitting in half and now there is one for the right and the left. Even the centrists are being attacked viciously by the left.

2018-10-22 03:50:39 UTC  

See Kavanaugh.

2018-10-22 03:51:13 UTC  

@Zilna Jestov It is split for sure but centrists still exist.

2018-10-22 03:51:15 UTC  

The future holds countless opportunities and obstacles. IE can play a critical role in overcomong obstacles and utilizing opportunities with continued advocacy, internal support networking, community building, and being visible on our terms with our optics.

2018-10-22 03:51:21 UTC  

Right, but we need to discuss how we can move it further to the right. Even if it's splitting, we need our side to move more to our direction

2018-10-22 03:52:08 UTC  

I am chronically blackpilled but this week has me very proud of this group and driven to help it.

2018-10-22 03:52:26 UTC  

Based and blackpilled as well

2018-10-22 03:52:36 UTC  

Reality is blackpilling, that's why we're radicals

2018-10-22 03:53:10 UTC  

Radical white pillars.

2018-10-22 03:54:31 UTC  

Radical..narly..cool.

2018-10-22 03:54:47 UTC  

That's a good talking point but in the current political reality we are radicals

2018-10-22 03:55:02 UTC  

@Jacob I think what we do is perfect. Just more. More people, more locations, more often, mpre refined. I know that sounds like a cop out, but IE's potential is nowhere near reached. Post lawsuit (financial redirection of those legal costs back into the org) and double membership will make us a positive force unseen seen for decades.

2018-10-22 03:55:18 UTC  

Very based conservatives.

2018-10-22 03:55:40 UTC  

My prescription is for Euromericans to be openly ourselves and unashamed of it. Those "optics" are only bad for those who hate us. Let the moderate right see that being a coward is worse optics.

2018-10-22 04:03:10 UTC  

I love being white.

2018-10-22 04:03:14 UTC  

Being clean-cut and knowing what one is talking about makes for the best optics.

2018-10-22 04:04:27 UTC  

It's not just a privilege, it's an honor.

2018-10-22 04:04:52 UTC  

same

2018-10-22 04:06:35 UTC  

always be whiter than you were the day before <:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>

2018-10-22 04:07:02 UTC  

Lol

2018-10-22 04:07:06 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/503781319180943361/image0.png

2018-10-22 04:07:41 UTC  

i just get really pink <:sad:366743316475281408>

2018-10-22 04:07:42 UTC  

>lives in CA

2018-10-22 04:07:46 UTC  

yeah that checks out

2018-10-22 04:08:10 UTC  

I was just born not white

2018-10-22 04:08:12 UTC  

I'm a Slav

2018-10-22 04:08:27 UTC  

only the irish are black...

2018-10-22 04:08:34 UTC  

<:teehee:381917632359563264>

2018-10-22 04:08:46 UTC  

@Nemets so finding out who is energized to vote seems to be more important than measuring the actual public opinion?

2018-10-22 04:09:14 UTC  

There's another important factor in that

2018-10-22 04:09:23 UTC  

It depends how much people care about a certain issue

2018-10-22 04:09:36 UTC  

So, they might be voting, but voting based on a different issue

2018-10-22 04:10:39 UTC  

@Nemets nice. I just joined my state GOP's capitol club so I can hobnob with big wigs

2018-10-22 04:10:44 UTC  

Trump's core ideas were popular. Most leftists even admit they mainly hate him as a person

2018-10-22 04:11:59 UTC  

When it comes to polling on immigration, it's usually very biased. Few people will say "immigrants are bad" but, if you let them pick out the number we should take in, a majority want immigration cut by more than half

2018-10-22 04:12:30 UTC  

good tip!

2018-10-22 04:12:37 UTC  

Let's say that 100% of people are socialists, and there's two parties. One of them is socialist, and one of them is capitalist. The capitalist party is anti-immigration, and the socialist party is pro-immigration. If you're a socialist but you *really* don't like immigration, you'll still vote for the capitalist party, since that's the issue you're voting based on.

It also depends how much a particular side cares about a particular issue. Let's say 10% of the population is anti-immigration, and *really* hates immigration, while 60% of the population is pro-immigration, but doesn't care that much. The anti-immigration candidate could still win, because the pro-immigration crowd votes based on some bullshit like tax rates.