Message from shinjitsu in Nick Fuentes Server #general


2018-05-12 15:44:13 UTC  

But I promise I'm arguing out of good faith here

2018-05-12 15:44:22 UTC  

Again infinity has largely been discredited as, for lack of a better word, paradoxical and illogical. Even physicists have deemed it so. Example being Georges Lemaitre, university of Louvain in Belgium.

2018-05-12 15:44:31 UTC  

No need to apologize.

2018-05-12 15:45:13 UTC  

I'm still learning about what Aristotle meant by the difference of potential and actual infinity.

2018-05-12 15:46:30 UTC  

Mathematic theory isn't my strong suit, but I love how he related the two, it shows his general brilliance if anything.

2018-05-12 15:46:33 UTC  

So is this infinity in concern to the passing of time or is it everything?

2018-05-12 15:47:33 UTC  

Infinity, being never ending, not expanding either. So this particular infinity deals with all of creation which is guided and defined by time.

2018-05-12 15:47:55 UTC  

No infinity has not at all been discredited by physicists

2018-05-12 15:48:15 UTC  

I never said all of them.

2018-05-12 15:48:21 UTC  

I simply gave examples where it has been.

2018-05-12 15:48:45 UTC  

Where?

2018-05-12 15:49:42 UTC  

George Lemaitre, one of the theorists behind the theory of the big bang, seen here.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441068168845197334/444888914071650344/BIG_BANG.jpg

2018-05-12 15:50:12 UTC  

You realize even the most basic calculus relies on infinities

2018-05-12 15:50:41 UTC  

Almost every branch of physics that we even study in undergrad has infinities within the theory

2018-05-12 15:50:46 UTC  

Infinity in theory or infinity in practice? That is, infinity for hypothesis, or infinity with regards to metaphysics?

2018-05-12 15:51:07 UTC  

That question doesn’t really make sense

2018-05-12 15:51:35 UTC  

And I'm not colluding the two, I'm simply saying is infinity being used for theoretical purposes or for actual explanations of the natural world?

2018-05-12 15:51:41 UTC  

Help me understand as you do.

2018-05-12 15:51:48 UTC  

Actual explanations

2018-05-12 15:51:58 UTC  

GR is the best example

2018-05-12 15:52:36 UTC  

It requires no discrete lengths in space or time basically so that you can for any given curvature in space create a locally “flat” thing called a spacetime metric

2018-05-12 15:52:57 UTC  

To do that the world has to be continuous in time and space, so infinitely divisible

2018-05-12 15:53:42 UTC  

It’s really analogous with epsilon delta I think it’s callled from calculus one. Which is why infinities are also required there

2018-05-12 15:55:14 UTC  

I understand the necessity of it, but I fail to see how this correlates with infinity with regards to creation? While I certainly hold no credentials, and that should be apparent, how does this figure into the Lemaitre-Tolman-Bondi model?

2018-05-12 15:56:08 UTC  

I mean how can accelerated expansion be believed in an infinite understanding?

2018-05-12 15:56:19 UTC  

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the model.

2018-05-12 15:57:09 UTC  

Let me look that up tbh I haven’t heard of it. Are you saying howncould they theorize that the universe expansion is accelerating indefinitely?

2018-05-12 15:58:21 UTC  

The expansion of the universe, and the theory of it, seem to contradict the idea of an infinite universe. I mean, how could infinity expand infinitely? That makes no sense.

2018-05-12 15:58:25 UTC  

Oh the ltb metric is inhomogenous which our universe isn’t

2018-05-12 15:58:44 UTC  

Again that's why I brought up Lemaitre and Edwin Hubble, that was their bread and butter

2018-05-12 15:59:41 UTC  

Yeah they are describing an inhomogenous universe which ours isn’t. But as for how infinity can expland that depends on a few things. We can pm about it if you want because my background is actually in GR and I feel like people here won’t really care

2018-05-12 15:59:57 UTC  

So the idea is that the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate flies in the face of the theory that the big bang is just an infinitely recurring event in the history of the universe, right?

2018-05-12 16:00:11 UTC  

Yes it does

2018-05-12 16:00:35 UTC  

An infinite universe can expand though

2018-05-12 16:01:07 UTC  

So is in inhomogeneous and also not isotropic?

2018-05-12 16:01:07 UTC  

Expansion means that the space between the points has become greater. Not that more “points” have been created. That’s one of the big confusing points in GR

2018-05-12 16:01:21 UTC  

Our universe is homogenous and isotropic

2018-05-12 16:01:40 UTC  

Oh I misread what you said my bad.

2018-05-12 16:01:53 UTC  

Meaning the average energy density is the same roughly everywhere, and the universe looks the same from wherever you are in it

2018-05-12 16:02:14 UTC  

So it would just keep expanding and never retract to the point where there is another big bang

2018-05-12 16:02:26 UTC  

I mean, I was taught, albeit in high school, that galaxies could be moving away from the Earth.