Message from @banestrum

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2018-06-14 04:57:14 UTC  

For me it's how strongly you believe in whatever is being discussed

2018-06-14 04:58:14 UTC  

If you're willing to debate reasonably but are defensive that's about average, if you border on burning heretics that's a pretty strong belief, if you bend over backwards to help others violate your beliefs you don't really believe those things

2018-06-14 04:58:53 UTC  

you can have strong beliefs and not want to hurt anyone too

2018-06-14 04:59:20 UTC  

So I don't consider churches that have a gay pride flag to have strong christian beliefs (as laid out in the bible)

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC  

Yeah, it's just an example

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC  

right

2018-06-14 04:59:43 UTC  

gotcha

2018-06-14 04:59:56 UTC  

@M4Gunner I never hear that said though

2018-06-14 05:00:02 UTC  

That's totally glossed over

2018-06-14 05:00:20 UTC  

It's like American Protestants have no concept of what sin even is

2018-06-14 05:01:00 UTC  

It's all morality with them; "It's immoral to be cruel to others, the moral thing to do... morality is a cornerstone of our society"

2018-06-14 05:01:41 UTC  

@M4Gunner I view it as a political statement, but I'd be willing to no immediately mock a church if I had an inkling it was purely religious

2018-06-14 05:01:50 UTC  

Absolutely

2018-06-14 05:02:01 UTC  

It's like relying on a calculator

2018-06-14 05:02:17 UTC  

Great crutch, totally functional, but when you leave it at home you're fucked

2018-06-14 05:02:53 UTC  

I think that certain religious ideas are based on real observations

2018-06-14 05:03:03 UTC  

Those are the best ones

2018-06-14 05:04:52 UTC  

and this stuff was written a long time ago, and they used the symbolism and old style language, so i think it's really important to study it hard if you are serious about it. people who saw a cartoon vhs of noahs ark, and nothing else, isnt a good representation of the essence of the teaching

2018-06-14 05:04:58 UTC  

The thing with religions. The only ones that survibe take from their prior types. So the *morality would die when you lose your religion* is a falsity

2018-06-14 05:05:33 UTC  

And since the western world laws are written based off this. Even the athiestic are forced to observe said morality

2018-06-14 05:05:41 UTC  

@Deleted User I'm totally fine with symbolism and shit, working the brain is good

2018-06-14 05:06:02 UTC  

Religion has always been about explaining the unexplained

2018-06-14 05:06:07 UTC  

also if they are based in true observations, those teachings would reemerge @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

2018-06-14 05:06:17 UTC  

I have no respect for generic american Protestantism, though. More of a lack of belief than actual belief

2018-06-14 05:06:36 UTC  

It gives humans a teather to keep from fearing everything

2018-06-14 05:06:39 UTC  

"We should all be nice to each other" is not an impressive or insightful revelation

2018-06-14 05:06:53 UTC  

it was at one point

2018-06-14 05:06:59 UTC  

we take it for granted now

2018-06-14 05:07:05 UTC  

true ^

2018-06-14 05:07:09 UTC  

@banestrum but before it the world was far more chaotic

2018-06-14 05:07:15 UTC  

It was annoying even back in the 1800s, but at least it seemed to be legitimate belief

2018-06-14 05:07:32 UTC  

eye for an eye used to be great too

2018-06-14 05:07:41 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki And now we drown in our own human excess, what an improvement

2018-06-14 05:07:58 UTC  

Because most of the moralities have been abandoned

2018-06-14 05:08:03 UTC  

no

2018-06-14 05:08:07 UTC  

before it was eye for **YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY**

2018-06-14 05:08:09 UTC  

avoiding excess was one of those

2018-06-14 05:08:22 UTC  

The adherence to them is more slavish than ever but the understanding is minimal

2018-06-14 05:08:38 UTC  

@M4Gunner easy to be a glutton, to easy

2018-06-14 05:08:42 UTC  

It's like giving an autist a gun and a badge and telling him to enforce curfew

2018-06-14 05:08:48 UTC  

You KNOW he's going to shoot someone