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2018-06-14 04:50:56 UTC  

why?

2018-06-14 04:51:26 UTC  

Because if less people agree the religion should be split up until more people agree in various divisions

2018-06-14 04:51:27 UTC  

there are levels of understanding though

2018-06-14 04:51:35 UTC  

Then those are better religions for those people

2018-06-14 04:51:54 UTC  

Ok, not "better"

2018-06-14 04:51:57 UTC  

I don't think religion is about agreeing with people though

2018-06-14 04:52:02 UTC  

More representative of how they feel

2018-06-14 04:52:08 UTC  

And who they are and all that

2018-06-14 04:52:18 UTC  

I think religion is a personal thing

2018-06-14 04:52:30 UTC  

sure there is a community aspect to it

2018-06-14 04:52:42 UTC  

But if it's not a relatively cohesive thing then there's no point defining it as a religion, because it's so loose

2018-06-14 04:53:04 UTC  

it's about how an individual should get along in the world

2018-06-14 04:53:30 UTC  

For me it's "religion" representing the community aspect and "belief" or whatever else representing individual opinions and thoughts

2018-06-14 04:53:56 UTC  

i see

2018-06-14 04:53:59 UTC  

So having some sort of cohesiveness is important for the community aspect

2018-06-14 04:54:26 UTC  

Basically if there were one Christian left in the world, it would be pointless to call him a Christian

2018-06-14 04:55:38 UTC  

For me the more a person strays from the orthodox of whatever subgroup they're in the less they are representative of that group

2018-06-14 04:55:49 UTC  

you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you stray that far from the teachings then why call yourself that at all? lol

2018-06-14 04:55:57 UTC  

Exactly

2018-06-14 04:56:28 UTC  

also I think there are levels of religiousness

2018-06-14 04:56:35 UTC  

that is important to note i think

2018-06-14 04:57:04 UTC  

it makes it harder to define unfortunately

2018-06-14 04:57:14 UTC  

For me it's how strongly you believe in whatever is being discussed

2018-06-14 04:58:14 UTC  

If you're willing to debate reasonably but are defensive that's about average, if you border on burning heretics that's a pretty strong belief, if you bend over backwards to help others violate your beliefs you don't really believe those things

2018-06-14 04:58:53 UTC  

you can have strong beliefs and not want to hurt anyone too

2018-06-14 04:59:20 UTC  

So I don't consider churches that have a gay pride flag to have strong christian beliefs (as laid out in the bible)

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC  

Yeah, it's just an example

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC  

right

2018-06-14 04:59:43 UTC  

gotcha

2018-06-14 04:59:56 UTC  

@M4Gunner I never hear that said though

2018-06-14 05:00:02 UTC  

That's totally glossed over

2018-06-14 05:00:20 UTC  

It's like American Protestants have no concept of what sin even is

2018-06-14 05:01:00 UTC  

It's all morality with them; "It's immoral to be cruel to others, the moral thing to do... morality is a cornerstone of our society"

2018-06-14 05:01:41 UTC  

@M4Gunner I view it as a political statement, but I'd be willing to no immediately mock a church if I had an inkling it was purely religious

2018-06-14 05:01:50 UTC  

Absolutely

2018-06-14 05:02:01 UTC  

It's like relying on a calculator

2018-06-14 05:02:17 UTC  

Great crutch, totally functional, but when you leave it at home you're fucked

2018-06-14 05:02:53 UTC  

I think that certain religious ideas are based on real observations

2018-06-14 05:03:03 UTC  

Those are the best ones

2018-06-14 05:04:52 UTC  

and this stuff was written a long time ago, and they used the symbolism and old style language, so i think it's really important to study it hard if you are serious about it. people who saw a cartoon vhs of noahs ark, and nothing else, isnt a good representation of the essence of the teaching

2018-06-14 05:04:58 UTC  

The thing with religions. The only ones that survibe take from their prior types. So the *morality would die when you lose your religion* is a falsity