I mean, I wouldn't doubt if we are a *little* more violent, but not significantly different.

There are far more guns in America, is it not a truism you'll have more people killed by guns in that case

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Funny thing is, gun ownership has no bearing on the stats. Some of the safest states have the most guns and slackets gun laws... (and are mostly white)

Right but that's relative

So more guns =/= more gun murders (unless non-whites are around)

You would expect it to be relatively higher in all states

I am very pro gun ownership btw, this isn't where it's going

let's acknowledge the fact that any statistics on American whites is probably lumping in nonwhites and whites with significant admixtures

I didn't think that.

@TIDE They consider Arabs "white", so yeah...

I'm saying it's believable that white America is a little more homicidal because these are usually impassioned impulses and there are more guns around giving more expediency to murder

It's not just Europeans they lump into the white violence stats.

Depends on the group and the part of the country their in, the Scots-Irish in WV and Kentucky are far more violent than their Northern Irish cousins, for example or Anglos in Mississippi tend to be more violent than their British counterparts. I have heard theories that the British chose and deported clans and families with a violent reputation to the colonial frontier. So maybe that could be an explanation.

In my opinion America is already half or a little less white disaggregating these @Deleted User

A lot of stats lump Hispanics, Arabs and a few other groups as "white" and don't even say it...they are all just "white".

"White" crime, lol

More "white male criminals"

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It's ridiculous. We have no idea what crime stats actually are with whites

"Hispanic Whites" are most likely included in a lot of white stats as well

oh the Scottish descendants in the south are more violent than Anglos for sure. the Scots and Anglos switches places in America compass-wise; Scots live in the north on the island and Anglos live in the south. The opposite in the States and so the violence rates match up more

Always look for the "Non-hispanic Whites" category

The same way the media thinks there's actual white terror groups (in actuality they're just criminal gangs and orgs -- mostly in jails).

they are in victim stats @Nemets

@Nemets Sometimes, but not always.

You have to see how they categorize in each specific stat.

I've seen White and it being borken down into non-hispanic white most of the time, but it isn't always right there

A marginally higher murder rate is what I would expect in actually white Americans because of conditions like the availability of guns

The euro's are really stabby, m8

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That's because they can't be shooty though, to be fair.

Most murders happen within families and close friends, so guns not needed

*Man cheats on wife, wife kills him in sleep with fishing knife* -- Do you even Dateline?

I'm saying it's a marginal thing amongst others that would be expected to increase homicide rates

murder and gun crime rates are just impossible to compare across populations to draw conclusions about gun laws. conservatives dont get this

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my impression is that Austria is safer than many countries

I guess it's not "gun posting".

Yeah I remember seeing that the overwhelming majority of people killed know their murderer, which is one of the reasons serial killers are so hard to find

I agree, it would be expected, but I don't know how it actually plays out