@Jacob I can because that's not what the ordinary person thinks of when they hear it. Fascism is a specific ideology too, but it basically just means "anything authoritarian that I dislike" in modern American political language

monopolies are ok if they're not inflexible commodities like energy & food, because they will drive competition

government should only be regulating inelastic commodities and leave the rest to free market dynamics

Certain monopolies are natural (like power companies). Those are generally already regulated

@TMatthews what about syndicalism?

We need to guarantee free speech online. That has to come by regulation

Utilities like energy generally are monopolies because it doesn’t make sense to run ten different electric lines to anyone’s house. Same goes for water.

syndicalism is free market

i support syndicalism is we want free market

if we don't want free market

@TMatthews Sure, that's not what the ordinary person thinks, but you can't just automatically assume that everyone is uneducated. There's people who know the actual definition of corporatism, and they're just going to laugh at you, the same way that we laugh at boomers and Antifa members who throw around "fascism".

Do you think Antifa members sounds smart when they call random things "fascism"? That's exactly how it's going to come off when you refer to random things as "corporatism" to an educated person.

I support Stalin's plan economics

5 year plans everybody lessgo

@Nerv - VA that's true in one sense, but it's not optimal if you want to avoid risk. that's where multi corporate structures are beneficial - because of redundancy, not choice

Maybe IE should have five year goals.

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i mean that's the only reason the soviet economy was anywhere significant in 1941

@Jacob I don't appreciate the condescension. I respectfully disagree. Words change meaning over time and can mean different things in different places. In Europe, "liberalism" is considered right wing. In America "liberal" means broadly left wing. That doesn't make the American definition inherently wrong. In America, you can and should make a distinction between capitalism (having private property and generally free markets) vs corporatism (letting multi billion dollar multinationals do whatever they want)

I mean it wouldn’t hurt to have a clear vision of where we want to be.

Wow. This might actually be some brilliant honeypot move to force watermelon marxists to show their hand.

The outcry and push to federalize private and state controlled lands for "conservation" has led to an ecological and economic disaster.

45% of California is owned by the Federal Government, from National Parks to Wilderness Refuge etc.

They act as an absentee landlord, implementing a top-down approach to ecosystem management, which is why past harvesting methods proved unsustainable and harmful to connecting ecosystems.

All of this has been going on and growing for decades. Meanwhile fertile forests have grown to tinderboxes, under the direction of the federal government. And now since so much of the federal budget set aside for forest management has been spent on fire suppression the amount of maintenance backlogs tops the 10's of billions.

The only way to combat the problems caused by federal land grabs is to relinquish control of these lands back to the states, then from the states back to the counties, and so on.

Ecological management needs to be a bottom-up approach, which takes into account all related ecosystems. This is why the NW forest plan has failed, this is why Endangered Species Act has failed, etc etc.

fascism in an economic system is considered corporatism - merger of state and corporate powers

https://twitter.com/PatrickCaseyIE/status/1060339370866159616?s=20

This is what Patrick was talking about in the fireside @missliterallywho

You can pick a different word if you find it so crucial, but the basic distinction between capitalism that favors the nation vs that which favors corporations is essential

corporations are meaningless, they are extensions of the state apparatus

there is no sovereign corporation

Corporations largely control state policy via big money politics. That's why GOP congressmen support more immigration when their voters hate it

capitalism is sound money, period. govt focuses on managing money and the goods and services are handled by private parties. corporations play no part unless they are subsidized by the state

Capitalism will inevitably beget monopolies and oligopolies absent regulation

we do not have a capitalist economy in america, we are a part of the global corporate structure known as fascism - unelected elites control global finance

capitalism would be GOLD and GREENBACKS, a true USD

@TMatthews would you agree that Juche economics would be good for america?

compard to the current state

monopoly is not a bad word, and it's rarely achievable in any real sense. capitalism produces multiplicities, which defy the idea of monopolies

the only monopolies that are "bad" are over land, crops, & energy

@Vilhjalmyr Interesting breakdown, thanks for sharing!

North Korea best Korea.

@TMatthews We don't get to be the ones that change the meaning of words. Maybe when we have control over the media, but we just can't do that right now. Even in America, if you talk to any educated person about economics, corporatism refers to a system where employers and employees are sorted into interest groups based on sector and the state mediates negotiations between them to make sure each side is fairly represented.

I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just saying what the facts are. The fact is, if we just change the meaning of words whenever we want to, it's going to sounds silly to educated people. I'm sorry if saying that comes off the wrong way, but that's just the truth, and it has to be said.

Historically, the great era of capitalism saw the development of monopolies or oligopolies in every major industry. Oil (Rockefeller), Steel (Carnegie), Railroads (Vanderbilt), Explosives (DuPont), Sugar (Domino) etc

i don't think you have bad reasoning @TMatthews , but i agree with earlier comment about definitions. you're using common tongue rather than economics facts

Yeah but what do you guys think about Bitcoin?

It's not even common tongue. The word "corporatism" is rarely used outside of economics discussions.