Message from @Gumbo - AZ

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2018-11-10 22:36:05 UTC  

if the USD blows up, it's going to have to find its way back to gold and other hard assets - which is very likely. we should be prepared for this outcome

2018-11-10 22:36:22 UTC  

if the USD blows up we're screwed

2018-11-10 22:36:25 UTC  

economically

2018-11-10 22:36:25 UTC  

I would never go around talking about how we need to smash capitalism, but, at the same time, I would advocate for adopting some left wing policies

2018-11-10 22:36:34 UTC  

all of those white-collar laborers are screwed

2018-11-10 22:36:37 UTC  

not if Trump is refilling Ft Knox as we speak, but that's a big IF

2018-11-10 22:36:51 UTC  

@Jacob I disagree. If you make the distinction that capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, but not corporations running rampant, you can hit an ideal middle ground

2018-11-10 22:37:02 UTC  

BRICS can reset gold price if they want, but the main reason they would do that is doubting size of US holdings

2018-11-10 22:37:34 UTC  

"Corporatism" basically just means that we have oligopolies rather than perfect competition. Regulation is necessary to compensate for that

2018-11-10 22:37:40 UTC  

For the record, socialists didn't bring nationalised healthcare to European countries, it was Christian Democracy parties.

2018-11-10 22:38:12 UTC  

that's my hope, that once BRICS pulls the trigger, we will see Trump stock greenbacks and oust the Fed - and who loves gold more than Trump?

2018-11-10 22:38:33 UTC  

Blacks

2018-11-10 22:38:40 UTC  

yo

2018-11-10 22:38:44 UTC  

ayo

2018-11-10 22:38:47 UTC  

hol up

2018-11-10 22:38:49 UTC  

so you be sayin

2018-11-10 22:38:50 UTC  

Hahaha

2018-11-10 22:38:51 UTC  

I mean, you can't really disagree because it's not an opinion. "Corporatism" refers to a specific economic system that has nothing to do with corporations running rampant. Scandinavian countries, for example, use a form of corporatism. The US does not practice corporatism. It's not just a slur, it's a specific economic system, and anyone who is educated in history is going to give you a weird look if you use "corporatism" in that context, because that's literally not what it means. @TMatthews

2018-11-10 22:40:03 UTC  

@Jacob I can because that's not what the ordinary person thinks of when they hear it. Fascism is a specific ideology too, but it basically just means "anything authoritarian that I dislike" in modern American political language

2018-11-10 22:40:06 UTC  

monopolies are ok if they're not inflexible commodities like energy & food, because they will drive competition

2018-11-10 22:40:34 UTC  

government should only be regulating inelastic commodities and leave the rest to free market dynamics

2018-11-10 22:40:47 UTC  

Certain monopolies are natural (like power companies). Those are generally already regulated

2018-11-10 22:41:31 UTC  

@TMatthews what about syndicalism?

2018-11-10 22:41:36 UTC  

We need to guarantee free speech online. That has to come by regulation

2018-11-10 22:41:38 UTC  

Utilities like energy generally are monopolies because it doesn’t make sense to run ten different electric lines to anyone’s house. Same goes for water.

2018-11-10 22:41:39 UTC  

syndicalism is free market

2018-11-10 22:42:06 UTC  

i support syndicalism is we want free market

2018-11-10 22:42:10 UTC  

if we don't want free market

2018-11-10 22:42:13 UTC  

@TMatthews Sure, that's not what the ordinary person thinks, but you can't just automatically assume that everyone is uneducated. There's people who know the actual definition of corporatism, and they're just going to laugh at you, the same way that we laugh at boomers and Antifa members who throw around "fascism".

Do you think Antifa members sounds smart when they call random things "fascism"? That's exactly how it's going to come off when you refer to random things as "corporatism" to an educated person.

2018-11-10 22:42:14 UTC  

I support Stalin's plan economics

2018-11-10 22:42:20 UTC  

5 year plans everybody lessgo

2018-11-10 22:42:57 UTC  

@Nerv - VA that's true in one sense, but it's not optimal if you want to avoid risk. that's where multi corporate structures are beneficial - because of redundancy, not choice

2018-11-10 22:43:04 UTC  

Maybe IE should have five year goals.

2018-11-10 22:43:50 UTC  

^

2018-11-10 22:44:11 UTC  

i mean that's the only reason the soviet economy was anywhere significant in 1941

2018-11-10 22:45:08 UTC  

@Jacob I don't appreciate the condescension. I respectfully disagree. Words change meaning over time and can mean different things in different places. In Europe, "liberalism" is considered right wing. In America "liberal" means broadly left wing. That doesn't make the American definition inherently wrong. In America, you can and should make a distinction between capitalism (having private property and generally free markets) vs corporatism (letting multi billion dollar multinationals do whatever they want)

2018-11-10 22:45:17 UTC  

I mean it wouldn’t hurt to have a clear vision of where we want to be.

2018-11-10 22:45:36 UTC  

Wow. This might actually be some brilliant honeypot move to force watermelon marxists to show their hand.

The outcry and push to federalize private and state controlled lands for "conservation" has led to an ecological and economic disaster.

45% of California is owned by the Federal Government, from National Parks to Wilderness Refuge etc.

They act as an absentee landlord, implementing a top-down approach to ecosystem management, which is why past harvesting methods proved unsustainable and harmful to connecting ecosystems.

All of this has been going on and growing for decades. Meanwhile fertile forests have grown to tinderboxes, under the direction of the federal government. And now since so much of the federal budget set aside for forest management has been spent on fire suppression the amount of maintenance backlogs tops the 10's of billions.

The only way to combat the problems caused by federal land grabs is to relinquish control of these lands back to the states, then from the states back to the counties, and so on.

Ecological management needs to be a bottom-up approach, which takes into account all related ecosystems. This is why the NW forest plan has failed, this is why Endangered Species Act has failed, etc etc.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/510948170264608798/45872155_1570540796412884_4516191148632440832_n.jpg

2018-11-10 22:45:39 UTC  

fascism in an economic system is considered corporatism - merger of state and corporate powers

2018-11-10 22:45:47 UTC  

https://twitter.com/PatrickCaseyIE/status/1060339370866159616?s=20

This is what Patrick was talking about in the fireside @missliterallywho